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Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:51 am to Robin Masters
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What you mean is 4.4% of people sick enough with Covid to go get tested for Covid wind up in the hospital. As we know there are many people who are asymptomatic for Covid.
This is incorrect. The 4.4% includes an estimate for people who are asymptomatic.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:52 am to Robin Masters
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I know all this.
Your post didn’t indicate you understood anything about the discussion. Maybe you’re just a very poor communicator.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:52 am to Robin Masters
I thank God every day I live in a country where people with ability can be motivated to accomplish things to the betterment of society.
Didn’t realize you were a Bernie bro who hates profit.
Didn’t realize you were a Bernie bro who hates profit.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:54 am to obdobd918
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As of Thursday, 882 people were tied to the Provincetown outbreak. Among those living in Massachusetts, 74% of them were fully immunized, yet officials said the vast majority were also reporting symptoms. Seven people were reported hospitalized.
They weren't double masked.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:55 am to the808bass
It’s also reasonable to assume your NNT should be more efficacious when you factor people who were asymptomatic.
Even if the vaccine was only 30% effective at preventing any symptoms, that rolls into efficacy.
You can’t get sent to the hospital if you never get sick. It’s just impossible to assess that number outside of an RCT with mass, regular testing.
Even if the vaccine was only 30% effective at preventing any symptoms, that rolls into efficacy.
You can’t get sent to the hospital if you never get sick. It’s just impossible to assess that number outside of an RCT with mass, regular testing.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 7:55 am to Tiguar
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I thank God every day I live in a country where people with ability can be motivated to accomplish things to the betterment of society.
Didn’t realize you were a Bernie bro who hates profit.
Masking + lockdowns = extortion
That isn’t capitalism Mr Mao.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 8:11 am to the808bass
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Maybe you’re just a very poor communicator.
Possible, anything is.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 8:17 am to Tiguar
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An ARR of 3% yields a NNT of 34. You prevent one hospitalization for every 34 people you vaccinate. That is very good given the safety profile.
Agreed.
Sadly, we don’t have data correlating to reinfection here in the US. It is almost as if that segment is intentionally being ignored.
The only study I have heard about is the study on Italian healthcare workers. To be fair, I have not seen the study so I am not sure that I am willing to believe the following information:
Amongst the hospital staffer in Italy, the vaccine works in the manner that you noted
(1 out of 34)..
However, for those that have had Covid...the reinfection rate was a .31 (1 in 323).
It seems out of sorts with the studies that I have seen. Additionally, those that have had Covid may have gotten out of the medical field. In short, while the info looks promising for Covid survivors, there are simply too many concerns with the notation (starting with a lack of published, verifiable data).
Nonetheless, it does support the narrative that natural immunity response should be counted towards herd immunity (at least imho).
Posted on 7/30/21 at 8:37 am to Tiguar
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We have more 30-40 year olds hospitalized right now than 70 year olds, at least at my particular hospital, which is insane to me.
What if those 70 year olds have been secretly taking HCQ or Ivermectin?
70’year olds ain’t no dummies.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 8:40 am to GoldenGuy
I mean, it's Provincetown
Posted on 7/30/21 at 8:42 am to Tiguar
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I thank God every day I live in a country where people with ability can be motivated to accomplish things to the betterment of society.
Friends of the State did well under Mao, Chavez, Stalin, Lenin and Hitler too. Just saying…
Posted on 7/30/21 at 8:50 am to the808bass
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That is a lower incidence of hospitalizations than non-vaccinated, everything else being equal.
Hospitalizations occur in around 4.4% of good ol’ regular Covid.
This is an incidence lower than 1% of reported cases (which is lower than actual cases).
That’s an absolute risk reduction of 3% and a relative risk reduction of 400%.
One assumes that beach goers were younger on average than the general population so I’m not sure those numbers mean much
Posted on 7/30/21 at 8:53 am to GoldenGuy
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unless you’re in an orgy
Is this from first hand experience?
Posted on 7/30/21 at 8:56 am to joshnorris14
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Is this beach in the NE an area with a representative sample wildly different than the average American thus causing hospitalizations to be less likely.
Ignoring this context makes the conclusions in this thread completely false.
Not only is much of New England less obese than the country as a whole, but the demographic you would find at any beach community, much less Cape Cod, is going to be far less ridden with comorbidities than the general population.
Any attempt to tie hospitalization rate from this outbreak to average trends is going to be wrong.
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 9:01 am
Posted on 7/30/21 at 10:25 pm to the808bass
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That is a lower incidence of hospitalizations than non-vaccinated, everything else being equal.
Hospitalizations occur in around 4.4% of good ol’ regular Covid.
This is an incidence lower than 1% of reported cases (which is lower than actual cases).
That’s an absolute risk reduction of 3% and a relative risk reduction of 400%.
Fauci the Fraud wants to shut down everything because of the numbers. Stop spreading infected illegals throughout the US and the covid rates would be even lower.
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