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re: Charlie Kirk assassinated in Utah
Posted on 9/20/25 at 2:21 pm to AUWDE
Posted on 9/20/25 at 2:21 pm to AUWDE
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The “long haired guy” actually came out on social media that he did not realize what was happening, and was not in fact celebrating him being shot. For someone to publicly reveal himself and speak out about it, and also how horrific the entire event was, I tend to believe him. Things were happening fast, it’s entirely plausible he did not realize what was going on in that split second moment.
I saw his “explanation video”.
He was stumbling trying to read a crafted statement, it honestly reminded me of a hostage video.
IMHO someone made him do that pathetic explanation because they realized he’d be identified.
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Posted on 9/20/25 at 8:39 pm to White Tiger
Apparently the round was recovered just under the skin where it would have exited. Just read a report that the surgeon was stunned the round had not exited.
Posted on 9/21/25 at 10:04 am to Brick67
I will see if I can find anything. I would think that would have been huge news.
Posted on 9/21/25 at 4:20 pm to White Tiger
I found this:
“From Turning Point USA Spokesman Andrew Kolvet: "I want to address some of the discussion about the lack of an exit wound with Charlie. I’m usually not interested in delving into most of this kind of online chatter, and I apologize this is somewhat graphic, but in this case, the fact that there wasn’t an exit wound is probably another miracle, and I want people to know.
I just spoke with the surgeon who worked on Charlie in the hospital…
He said the bullet “absolutely should have gone through, which is very very normal for a high powered, high velocity round. I’ve seen wounds from this caliber many times and they always just go through everything. This would have taken a moose or two down, an elk, etc.”
But it didn’t go through. Charlie’s body stopped it.
I mentioned to his doctor that there were dozens of staff, students, and special guests standing directly behind Charlie on the other side of the tent, and he replied:
“It was an absolute miracle that someone else didn’t get killed.”
“His bone was so healthy and the density was so so impressive that he’s like the man of steel. It should have just gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too.”
In the end, the coroner did find the bullet just beneath the skin.
Even in death, Charlie managed to save the lives of those around him.
Remarkable. Miraculous."
“From Turning Point USA Spokesman Andrew Kolvet: "I want to address some of the discussion about the lack of an exit wound with Charlie. I’m usually not interested in delving into most of this kind of online chatter, and I apologize this is somewhat graphic, but in this case, the fact that there wasn’t an exit wound is probably another miracle, and I want people to know.
I just spoke with the surgeon who worked on Charlie in the hospital…
He said the bullet “absolutely should have gone through, which is very very normal for a high powered, high velocity round. I’ve seen wounds from this caliber many times and they always just go through everything. This would have taken a moose or two down, an elk, etc.”
But it didn’t go through. Charlie’s body stopped it.
I mentioned to his doctor that there were dozens of staff, students, and special guests standing directly behind Charlie on the other side of the tent, and he replied:
“It was an absolute miracle that someone else didn’t get killed.”
“His bone was so healthy and the density was so so impressive that he’s like the man of steel. It should have just gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too.”
In the end, the coroner did find the bullet just beneath the skin.
Even in death, Charlie managed to save the lives of those around him.
Remarkable. Miraculous."
Posted on 9/22/25 at 1:09 pm to jlnoles79
There should be adequate acoustic data to localize the shooter fairly accurately. Would there not have been multiple microphones including many in attendance? Has anyone discussed this? The bullet lodging in his neck strains credulity.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:58 am to tiger91
There is simply no way that a 30.06 projectile would have behaved in the manner they would have us believe. It is physically impossible, but believe what you will.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 6:26 pm to tiger91
IF that is true - they should exhibit that bullet as a 'miracle' - so all can witness it.
That is just not what most of us think of when they hear "30-06."
IF the bullet didn't 'go thru' then it was something other than a normal round.
- not fully charged with gunpowder
OR
- not a regular weight lead bullet = aluminum?
And neither of those options would ensure a hit on target at 150 yards without lots and lots of practice.
SO
IF it was a regular round then it IS truly a miracle.
I'll need to see it - or have some expert explanation
That is just not what most of us think of when they hear "30-06."
IF the bullet didn't 'go thru' then it was something other than a normal round.
- not fully charged with gunpowder
OR
- not a regular weight lead bullet = aluminum?
And neither of those options would ensure a hit on target at 150 yards without lots and lots of practice.
SO
IF it was a regular round then it IS truly a miracle.
I'll need to see it - or have some expert explanation
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:50 am to ChineseBandit58
Has anyone seen this video analysis claiming the neck would IS the exit wound?
RangeDay Bro - Kirk analysis.
RangeDay Bro - Kirk analysis.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:56 pm to Brick67
quote:that's either a lie or it wasn't a 30-06
Apparently the round was recovered just under the skin where it would have exited. Just read a report that the surgeon was stunned the round had not exited.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 4:52 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:
the bullet didn't 'go thru' then it was something other than a normal round.
Could have been a frangible round. Not that uncommon. I use them in my edc. But yeah, 06 is friggin devastating usually
Posted on 9/25/25 at 10:26 am to ticklechain
supposedly, it was the lapel mic that exploded. not a bullet wound.
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Could have been a frangible round. Not that uncommon. I use them in my edc. But yeah, 06 is friggin devastating usually
What about soft-tipped? A lead tip might expand enough to keep it from exiting while doing devastating damage like we saw.
Posted on 9/25/25 at 3:48 pm to DakIsNoLB
quote:I don't think it matters what kind of ammunition was used. If it was a 30-06 it would have exited.
What about soft-tipped? A lead tip might expand enough to keep it from exiting while doing devastating damage like we saw.
If you don't believe me then just go watch some youtube videos that show what 30-06 does in ballistics gel
This post was edited on 9/25/25 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 9/26/25 at 2:15 am to Hog on the Hill
I assumed the massive blood loss on the left side of his neck was an exit wound. Are people saying that was the entry wound? I thought the shooter was one his right side? Am I mistaken?
Posted on 9/26/25 at 8:40 am to Mobile Patriot
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If tweet fails to load, click here. so there was NO autopsy?Posted on 9/27/25 at 9:41 am to Mobile Patriot
The FBI’s story is that the shooter was on a building that was directly in front of Charlie Kirk. That would make the hole in the left side of his neck an entry wound. They showed a photo of a Mauser 98 .30-06 that they found in some trees across the street from campus, and said that it’s the murder weapon. But that weapon makes no sense based on the wound and lack of any apparent exit out the back of his neck. There’s no way a 30-06 wouldn’t have gone through his neck if shot from 150 yards, which is the distance from the rooftop to where Kirk was sitting.
There’s also no evidence of Robinson carrying the rifle off the rooftop. The video doesn’t show him holding a gun. Mauser 98s don’t collapse and can’t be dismantled easily, and the video shows him running away just seconds after the shot occurred. So where’s the gun? How did it get off the rooftop and off campus? Where’s the bullet?
The thing about the text messages—he could always just say “yeah I wrote that but I didn’t mean it, I was trying to impress people” and if they can’t actually prove that the gun they have is the one that was used, they’re not going to be able to convict him. Especially if the defense can cast doubt that the shot even came from the front, and give the jury reason to think it could have come from elsewhere.
Also, can they even prove that it’s Robinson who is on the roof? Can they show that he ever had a gun up there?
Maybe they can, maybe they stopped being idiots and quit releasing all their evidence on social media. Idk. This whole thing has destroyed any confidence I had in the FBI. Shameful
There’s also no evidence of Robinson carrying the rifle off the rooftop. The video doesn’t show him holding a gun. Mauser 98s don’t collapse and can’t be dismantled easily, and the video shows him running away just seconds after the shot occurred. So where’s the gun? How did it get off the rooftop and off campus? Where’s the bullet?
The thing about the text messages—he could always just say “yeah I wrote that but I didn’t mean it, I was trying to impress people” and if they can’t actually prove that the gun they have is the one that was used, they’re not going to be able to convict him. Especially if the defense can cast doubt that the shot even came from the front, and give the jury reason to think it could have come from elsewhere.
Also, can they even prove that it’s Robinson who is on the roof? Can they show that he ever had a gun up there?
Maybe they can, maybe they stopped being idiots and quit releasing all their evidence on social media. Idk. This whole thing has destroyed any confidence I had in the FBI. Shameful
This post was edited on 9/27/25 at 9:43 am
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:07 am to Hog on the Hill
30-06 does not always exit. MLK was shot in the face by a 30-06 and it did not exist his body. It lodged in his spine.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 9:45 am to AUstar
Has an autopsy been performed? Why no news about it?
Posted on 10/1/25 at 9:26 am to AUstar
quote:That is true, but the circumstances were much different. (also, note: the bullet was not lodged in MLK's spine, it actually went through the spine and was palpable under the skin just medial to his left scapula... more about this later)
30-06 does not always exit. MLK was shot in the face by a 30-06 and it did not exist his body. It lodged in his spine.
In Kirk's case, the official story is that the bullet entered from the front of the left side of his neck at a trajectory that was essentially anterior-posterior. This means that the bullet would only have to traverse appoximately 5 inches of tissue to exit out the back of the neck, assuming that the bullet's trajectory took it through the thicket part of the neck. (Assuming a 16 inch circumference neck, and the neck as a circle, the diameter would be just over 5 inches). Only about an inch of that would be bone.
In MLK's case, the bullet did not have an orthogonal angle to his body. He was leaning over the railing outside of his hotel room. The bullet entered the right side of his face and traveled down his neck, through his spine, and stopped just medially to his left scapula. This means the bullet would have traversed closer to 12 inches of tissue, including several inches of bone--because the only path from the right side of his neck to the left scapula would have been through his spine. Unlike in Kirk's case, the bullet would have traveled down through multiple vertebrae due to the fact that MLK was leaning forward. The bullet would have had to contend with the spinal column's load-bearing function--the force would likely have been somewhat dissipated by compressing the connective tissue between the vertebrae, just like the spine was built to do.
So yes, it's possible to be shot with a .30-06 and not have the bullet exit. However, in Kirk's case, that is impossible. The bullet allegedly came from straight in front of him and would have only had to traverse 5 inches (maybe 6 or 7 if we're being generous) of tissue, and would have been at a more or less anterior-posterior trajectory with respect to his body and spine. This is not at all like MLK's case.
You can read about the details of MLK's wound here, in the Journal of Vascular Surgery. Photos are included An analysis of the vascular injuries and attempted resuscitation surrounding the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 9:41 am
Posted on 10/1/25 at 9:40 am to White Tiger
quote:Great question. According to Utah law, there should have been an autopsy since he was the victim of homicide. There's a lot of controversy around this because nothing has been released and there's some audio from police dispatch on the day of the shooting saying something about him not being taken for an autopsy... but I think it's possible that what happened was that the medical examiner went to the hospital to do it, and the comment was about him not being transported to the morgue.
Has an autopsy been performed? Why no news about it?
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