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re: Colorado High School recites Pledge in Arabic. Heads explode.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:40 am to Choupique19
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:40 am to Choupique19
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Daniel Snyder has the right to name his football team whatever he wants to.
actually he doesn't have the right to name his football team whatever he wants. He couldn't call them the washington steelers or broncos. Also, the NFL would probably stop him from calling them the Fighting fricktards. Although the latter name might be appropriate for the skins.
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Harry Reid is hoping to force him to change his name because it may be offensive to some people.
Harry Reid is not introducing legislation to get them to change their name. He is trying to use his influence to get them to change their name.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 11:41 am
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:41 am to C
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post Abraham.
So for the huge majority of documented history?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:43 am to UGATiger26
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But technically (and theologically) speaking, aren't Allah and the Christian God supposed to be the same entity?
Yes.
They differ in that Islam regards Jesus as a divinely inspired prophet.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:46 am to Pettifogger
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So for the huge majority of documented history?
Does it really matter what happens after? Or does it matter more that all originated with Abraham?
Look at it like a family tree with Abraham at the top. Below him it branches to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
All differ in their worship and practices, but to deny that they are founded on Abrahmic religious doctrine is to be dishonest.
edit: spelling
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 11:48 am
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:49 am to Wolfhound45
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Then ask them what that equates to. Not even remotely the same.
- Isaac (the son of Promise)
- Ishmael (the son of a Bondwoman)
in the islamic tradition, ishmael is the son who is nearly sacrificed. just an fyi.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:54 am to Bunsbert Montcroff
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in the islamic tradition, ishmael is the son who is nearly sacrificed. just an fyi.
And that is my point. I am well aware that in the Islamic tradition Ishmael replaces nearly all (if not all) references to Isaac. Hence the fallacy to equate them as the same. Not even remotely the same.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:55 am to SidewalkDawg
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All differ in their worship and practices, but to deny that they are founded on Abrahmic religious doctrine is to be dishonest.
I don't deny that at at all, nor have I indicated anything close to that in this thread. You're not showing me anything new with the concept you're trying to get across, that hasn't been in dispute.
The huge majority of advancement/evolution/spread of the Abrahamic religions, especially with regard to Christianity (post 300 AD) and Islam (post 600 AD) has occurred within the last 1500-1700 years. That's what, 2300+ years after Abraham?
These faiths have been on largely separate tracks for multiple millenia, with their very distinct religious texts, prayers, punishments, theories on governance, prophets, social values, cultural influences, etc. also advancing separately.
The point is not to deny a shared origin, the point is that the shared origin is largely irrelevant for the purpose it is used (which is to equate religions as being similar due to a "shared God").
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:57 am to SidewalkDawg
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All differ in their worship and practices, but to deny that they are founded on Abrahmic religious doctrine is to be dishonest.
No one denies that they all claim Abraham as a patriarch. That does not the claim of Christianity (I believe it is) or Islam (I believe it is not) true.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:05 pm to Pettifogger
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The point is not to deny a shared origin, the point is that the shared origin is largely irrelevant for the purpose it is used (which is to equate religions as being similar due to a "shared God").
Thanks, that clears up some of the confusion on shared origin.
However, I still can't see how you can claim they are 3 different deities, while I observe the same diety with 3 different interpretations.
Same Abrahamic God, 3 totally different interpretations of his teachings and prophets.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:08 pm to Wolfhound45
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No one denies that they all claim Abraham as a patriarch. That does not the claim of Christianity (I believe it is) or Islam (I believe it is not) true.
Then by all means, go on believing what you will. But from someone who doesn't adhere to any of these three religions, your belief on the matter is a moot point.
The three religions all base their belief systems on the God of Abraham, whether one of these religions is the right way to worship that God is irrelevant to the fact that they all belief in the same God as Abraham, but differ on the interpretation of events.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:10 pm to Pettifogger
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Considering teachings about each can vary greatly for billions of people, I don't think distinctions are simply relevant for the individual.
Teachings vary greatly in every faith, or even denomination.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Teachings vary greatly in every faith, or even denomination.
Not disagreeing, but I think we can generally pull out teachings within denominations or faiths that are considered distinct from other faiths, and often, points of significant dispute/strife.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:18 pm to Choupique19
quote:Damn. you talk about harry Reid more than he talks about the Koch bros!
Harry Reid
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:19 pm to SidewalkDawg
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However, I still can't see how you can claim they are 3 different deities, while I observe the same diety with 3 different interpretations.
Well if we're being honest, I believe there is one deity, and that the attributes I assign to him (through my religion) are accurate, and that those assigned to him by other faiths are invalid.
Thus, other Abrahamic faiths are worshipping/following a manifestation of God that doesn't exist, although admittedly there are some common themes in play and a shared historical origin.
It's like 200 years from now someone calling themselves an American, when their America may be radically different and inapposite of my own. We're both referencing the same country, but the concept isn't the same at all. We're each expressing our loyalty and devotion to separate conceptions of America. Now I consider God a reality, not a concept, but I'm sure you know what I'm getting at.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:23 pm to UGATiger26
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But technically (and theologically) speaking, aren't Allah and the Christian God supposed to be the same entity?
All 3 religions trace back to the Abrahamic God.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:23 pm to TrueTiger
So "one nation under the Abrahamic God"?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:24 pm to UGATiger26
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But technically (and theologically) speaking, aren't Allah and the Christian God supposed to be the same entity?
All 3 religions trace back to the Abrahamic God.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 1:36 pm to TrueTiger
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All 3 religions claim to trace back to the Abrahamic God.
FIFY
That is the key. Claim to (to include the belief system I adhere to - evangelical Chritianity).
- I believe one is true and a fuller relevation.
- I believe the other is a lie and a distortion.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 7:19 pm to Wolfhound45
We are saying the same thing.
That was a bullshite down-vote,
it is a historical fact that Judaism, Islam, and Christendom trace back to the Abrahamic God.
That was a bullshite down-vote,
it is a historical fact that Judaism, Islam, and Christendom trace back to the Abrahamic God.
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