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re: Conservatives need to work on their messaging
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:27 am to TulaneFan
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:27 am to TulaneFan
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Conservatives need to work on their messaging
You're not wrong, and The Right has been abysmal at this for as long as I can remember.
That said, the best messaging in the world is useless if you're not allowed a platform to get it out.
Take the label "groomer." That little tag REALLY hurt The Left and it was sticky and was appropriate and parents inherently understood the label and they could see it was accurate when you'd juxtapose it against the various videos of elementary school teachers desperate to talk to 7 year olds about their sex life, or people dragging kids to sexually explicit drag shows, or now the videos of doctors smiling as they describe double mastectomies and hysterectomies for children, etc.
And what happened? Social Media began to immediately ban anyone who uses it because they saw how effective it was.
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:30 am to FlyingTiger1955
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This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 10:31 am
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:32 am to GeauxTigerTM
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And what happened? Social Media began to immediately ban anyone who uses it because they saw how effective it was.
This has been an issue since 2016, even before stuff was really getting banned. Back when "alt right" meant "trolling, counter culture conservatives" and the Left was losing its historical place as the party of the young/counter culture. That was one of the lasting legacies of Trump as a politician and message-creator and the Left collectively lost its shite.
This is one of the biggest fallouts from Charlottesville, because it all started to shift after that stupidity.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:33 am to TulaneFan
The problem is that it's much easier to "sell" DOING SOMETHING or some new program than retrenchment and contraction of government.
Everyone loves Santa Claus
Everyone loves Santa Claus
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:36 am to TulaneFan
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left is ... always on the exact same page
...what in the world are you talking about? It's almost like you don't live in the real world, if you honestly think this.
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While conservatives don’t have a stranglehold on the flow of information
They certainly do to their cultists. You always toe the Fox News line.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:39 am to TulaneFan
A Leftist will support your cause, regardless of how ridiculous it might be, in exchange for your support of his cause.
Conservatives don't function that way.
Conservatives don't function that way.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:52 am to udtiger
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The problem is that it's much easier to "sell" DOING SOMETHING or some new program than retrenchment and contraction of government.
This is also true, but the GOP could "do something" but are running on, "We're not them."
The reason Newt rolled in with huge gains in 1994 was because they distilled exactly what it was they were going to try and go if elected. it nationalized local races and everyone got on board and pulled in the same direction.
Today, you've got the useless Senate ML who wants nothing to do with the actual leader of the party at this point, and the candidates he has tapped who do seem to be pulling in that direction. And McCarthy is no Gingrich in that regard either.
McConnell has decided to have it look like there is an internal struggle in the party rather than get on board with America First messaging. There is no national voice and no ultimate goal other than "stopping their crap."
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:55 am to TulaneFan
Sorry, but the constant message of unlimited buttsex and free shite is kind of hard to fight against - especially considering the overwhelming lack of reasoned thought in this nation.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:58 am to GeauxTigerTM
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The reason Newt rolled in with huge gains in 1994 was because they distilled exactly what it was they were going to try and go if elected
The problem is if you ask 50 Republicans their vision of fedgov or what "conservative" means, you'll probably get 10-15 different responses.
The GOP is a splintered grouping of VERY different philosophies.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:03 am to TulaneFan
You are right....
The only message I hear is how bad the DEMS are.....and we need to do something about it.
Reps need leadership, and DJT is the only one, IMO.
The only message I hear is how bad the DEMS are.....and we need to do something about it.
Reps need leadership, and DJT is the only one, IMO.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:03 am to shoelessjoe
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The reason the conservatives aren’t on the same page is because the Rhinos won’t agree with America first republicans (Trump supporters). Mitch McConnell doesn’t want to side with MAGA so he would rather lose to hold on to the little power he has. Even if it means Dems win.
RINOs are on the take. They won't like the personal inconvenience of giving up legalized insider trading and slush funds.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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The GOP is a splintered grouping of VERY different philosophies.
Because there is no true ideological "leader." It's one of the things which always made me laugh about people complaining about Trump...he's many things, but he's not some great ideological thinker. He may have thought he was surrounding himself with those types, but other than his basic tenets of "America First" it doesn't run very deep.
I think there would always be a spectrum even within the party, but the right person could get a message to coalesce into something messageable and tight.
And you can also see here, there is a vast difference between politically conservative people and religiously conservative people. Much like the Woke Left, our religious members seem absolutely hellbent on purging nonreligious people out from under the tent rather than joining hands, something I'll never quite grasp.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:20 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Because there is no true ideological "leader."
That makes no sense. The party promoting individualism needs a leader to create a top-down structure? Makes no sense.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That makes no sense. The party promoting individualism needs a leader to create a top-down structure? Makes no sense.
Yes. Not in terms of explaining individualism but in terms of creating a vision of what that would look like in terms of policies.
No one can rally around "Not that." There needs to be something positive around which people gather.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 1:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:One example?
In the age of Trump, if you try to make well-reasoned, intellectual and effective arguments for being anti-liberalism, you'll be called a beta/soy boy by a LARGE number of Patriots™
Posted on 8/21/22 at 2:00 pm to oldskule
quote:This is because of human nature, I think. In 2020, you couldn't have a conversation without hear "because of covid". If there's a hurricane, it will be in every conversation (locally, at least). The Dems are so bad and affecting nearly everyone negatively, whether or not the know/admit it, that people may not know what the solution is, we just know something has to change. This is why RINOs aren't being helpful - they see the power void and want in so badly they'd choke their own children with the bones of their own mothers.
The only message I hear is how bad the DEMS are.....and we need to do something about it.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 8:46 pm to FlyingTiger1955
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Why do they have to pass legislation? That’s part of the problem, always looking to Washington to enact some program. The Conservative position isn’t that we want to spend the same amounts as the Democrats, just in different areas. The country would be better off if the Congress didn’t enact a solution for every problem.
Enacting legislation doesn’t have to equate to spending money. You can enact legislation to reduce spending, such as a balance budget law. You can enact legislation to incentivize production in the US via tariffs. They are tons of other examples as well.
I follow politics fairly closely, and I would classify myself as a conservative/libertarian so I read and listen to “right wing” media, and I can’t tell you what Republicans want to do other than cut taxes. But I do know you have to run on something to be able to win elections, and currently I’m not sure what the Republican Party is running on. That is why their messaging sucks, they don’t have anything to say.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 8/22/22 at 5:56 am to TulaneFan
Uni-party does not want to lose control.
Trump, exposed the uniparty for what it is.
Trump, exposed the uniparty for what it is.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 6:01 am to TulaneFan
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the least people can do is be vocal about what is happening and demand change.
Trump won in a landslide against the swampiest of swamp creatures and then got even more votes the next election.
We made it clear what is happening and demanded change.
The ruling class reminded us what the founding fathers warned us about and there is no going back. There is no “platform” that will unite conservatives short of dismantling the current system and rebuilding it.
Our government is 32 trillion dollars in debt
We have no manufacturing capability anymore
We outsource our essentials
Our election system is compromised
We are shutting down energy production
We have massive supply chain issues
We are losing our ability to feed ourselves
We are destroying education systems
We are confusing and warping our children
We are soft on criminals
We are hard on the middle class
We are out on control with taxes and spending
We are throwing money at foreign governments and ignoring our own citizens
The Fed Gov is actively threatening the first and second amendment while ignoring the fourth and sixth.
What do you want the “message” to be? I think we’re past that. We’re in a collapsing downward spiral.
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 6:11 am
Posted on 8/22/22 at 6:01 am to TulaneFan
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This is one thing the left is exceptionally good at. They are always on the exact same page
This is easy to accomplish when politics are their religion and they have no moral compass. As the old saying goes "you've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything".
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There are way more conservatives than radical leftists, and yet the left always screams Reeeeee the loudest
When you ain't got nothin, you got nothin to lose.
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