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re: Derek Chauvin's trial is rigged.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:23 am to OccamsStubble
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:23 am to OccamsStubble
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Can you provide a link for info on a case in which a person lying on their stomach handcuffed behind their back managed to get up and beat four policemen?
Ridiculous request, and idiocy to ask since I was responding to a claim about PCP generally, not George Floyd's case specifically.
As far as I know, PCP wasn't in his system, so your question is a result of your lack of reading comprehension and it's irrelevant.
Secondly, and more ignorantly, you're expecting the cops to be able to tell, while trying to arrest a guy they've only seen for 20 minutes, which, if any drugs and medical conditions the man might be affected by, diagnose his medical condition with 100% accuracy, and act accordingly.
Dumb fricking response, dude.
Add you to the list of people who want the cops jailed for the crime of not being a doctor.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 9:25 am
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:24 am to greygoose
He gave no indication of being capable of getting up, much less hurting himself.
If he had, then sure, add restraint above and beyond
Handcuffing
Putting him face down
If he had, then sure, add restraint above and beyond
Handcuffing
Putting him face down
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:25 am to greygoose
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Agreed, but will the judge allow it to be presented?
Given the toxicology report and the prosecution's position that something that is considered standard operating procedure could still warrant a cop being charged with murder, THAT might be the definition of reversible error.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 9:27 am
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:26 am to BiteMe2020
Actually, I’m asking them to judge he situation as it is, and respond accordingly. You know, use your brain.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:27 am to momentoftruth87
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it was disturbing to hear Floyd had excessive levels, but the prosecutor gave the excuse it wasn't leatal because he did drugs often lol, like wtf
That’s literally how it works. Lol
I’ve seen people walking around with 2-3x the level of fentanyl that Floyd had. I’m not saying the drug wasn’t a factor in his death, but toxicology isn’t as simple as just comparing the measured value to a chart. Hell, drugs redistribute after death, so it’s not as simple as even saying the measured drug level is representative of what it was during life. Interpreting postmortem tox is more of an art than a science.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:28 am to OccamsStubble
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He gave no indication of being capable of getting up, much less hurting himself.
If he had, then sure, add restraint above and beyond
Handcuffing
Putting him face down
Many criminals give no signs of resisting arrest right before they stab a cop, take his weapon and shoot them, or beat them bloody.
The cops' job is to arrest the criminal. He didn't comply. He was high. The drugs in his system killed him.
You know, 100% for sure, that he would have died without the drugs in his system, but merely a knee on his neck, perhaps cutting off blood flow from one of his arteries? No, you don't.
He already indicated he was having trouble breathing before the knee was on his neck, an indication that the drugs were already killing him before the arrest was over.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:31 am to Yellerhammer5
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That’s literally how it works. Lol
I’ve seen people walking around with 2-3x the level of fentanyl that Floyd had. I’m not saying the drug wasn’t a factor in his death, but toxicology isn’t as simple as just comparing the measured value to a chart. Hell, drugs redistribute after death, so it’s not as simple as even saying the measured drug level is representative of what it was during life. Interpreting postmortem tox is more of an art than a science.
I've seen people with 2-3x the amount of knees on their necks than George Floyd had. I'm not saying that the knee wasn't a factor in his death, but toxicology isn't as simple as just comparing the measured value on a chart. Hell, knees only block part of the blood flow to the brain, and don't block airways, so it's not as simple as saying the knee on the neck is representative of what it was during life. Interpreting postmortem physical injuries is more of an art than a science.
Oh look, I can do it, too!
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:35 am to BiteMe2020
quote:
Many criminals give no signs of resisting arrest right before they stab a cop, take his weapon and shoot them, or beat them bloody.
Given the situation none of these could have happened
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:43 am to OccamsStubble
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Given the situation none of these could have happened
So the cops properly restrained the perp then?
Great.
I guess you're also psychic, and know, without any knowledge of the case, that he had no weapons.
You're the Colin Kaepernick of Monday-morning quarterbacking.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 10:47 am to BiteMe2020
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Oh look, I can do it, too!
Congrats on being able to testify on an Internet forum I guess.
FWIW, I agree with most of what you said about the neck as well. The cause of death in this case comes down much more to opinion than objective autopsy findings. The prosecutor said that the autopsy showed that a heart attack did not occur, but no signs would be present in the cardiac muscle from an acute heart attack, so the lack of evidence is meaningless.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 10:51 am
Posted on 3/30/21 at 10:49 am to momentoftruth87
If you are 160 lbs and you know what you are doing you can take down a guy who is 260 relatively easy and an intoxicated guy is easy to take down.
My point is that once you have a guy on his stomach with his hands cuffed behind him, you own him on every angle. Try getting up off your belly without use of your hands. It takes time and you need the balance and stability of you your hands and arms to just get from your knees to a standing position. Best case scenario would be 30 seconds to get to your knees beyond that getting to a standing position will take some serious coordination and that will take time.
Are you aware of the damage cops could do in 30 seconds?
My point is that once you have a guy on his stomach with his hands cuffed behind him, you own him on every angle. Try getting up off your belly without use of your hands. It takes time and you need the balance and stability of you your hands and arms to just get from your knees to a standing position. Best case scenario would be 30 seconds to get to your knees beyond that getting to a standing position will take some serious coordination and that will take time.
Are you aware of the damage cops could do in 30 seconds?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 10:51 am to Tigers0891
The ENTIRE US Legal and Government sysytem is a complete shitshow!!!
It will eventually lead to anarchy!
Sad, but true, and this is the way the DEMS want it!
It will eventually lead to anarchy!
Sad, but true, and this is the way the DEMS want it!
Posted on 3/30/21 at 10:52 am to BiteMe2020
I know elephants can’t fly. I don’t need to be psychic to know.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 10:59 am to KiwiHead
quote:
If you are 160 lbs and you know what you are doing you can take down a guy who is 260 relatively easy and an intoxicated guy is easy to take down.
You know how I know, you've never wrestled in your life? Posted on 3/30/21 at 11:19 am to greygoose
Wanna know how I know you have never stepped foot on a mat much less attended a wrestling meet or thrown a drunk arse out of a bar?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 11:49 am to momentoftruth87
quote:
the prosecutor gave the excuse it wasn't leatal because he did drugs often lol, like wtf
yeah, pretty sure it doesn't work that way with fentanyl
Posted on 3/30/21 at 11:52 am to Tigers0891
Keith Ellison was stupid not letting the Feds handle this case. The Feds have way more weapons to handle a show trial. The fact it is being televised shows you they are not serious about this.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 11:53 am to Yellerhammer5
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That’s literally how it works.
Pretty sure fentanyl has such a short half-life that the drug doesn't accumulate in the system. I could be wrong though?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:01 pm to BiteMe2020
quote:How many criminals without a pulse have done that? Because Chauvin kept the knee on the neck for minutes after the cop couldn't get a pulse.
Many criminals give no signs of resisting arrest right before they stab a cop, take his weapon and shoot them, or beat them bloody.
Handcuffed without a pulse. I am sure 4 cops could have handled that.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:06 pm to mmcgrath
quote:Yeah, that little issue was settled when a drugged out criminal decided to resist. Instead this thing will drag out, cost millions and millions, ruin lives, have property destroyed all because one man decided to be a criminal.
Because Chauvin kept the knee on the neck for minutes after the cop couldn't get a pulse.
Handcuffed without a pulse. I am sure 4 cops could have handled that
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