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Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:11 pm to tigerfoot
quote:Well maybe we could at least update the training manuals to tell the cops they should remove pressure on the neck when the arrested individual no longer shows signs of life.
Yeah, that little issue was settled when a drugged out criminal decided to resist. Instead this thing will drag out, cost millions and millions, ruin lives, have property destroyed all because one man decided to be a criminal.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:12 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
Well maybe we could at least update the training manuals to tell the cops they should remove pressure on the neck when the arrested individual no longer shows signs of life.
Except that's not really what happened. He exhibited signs of drug overdose before the knee ever touched the neck.
Simple fact.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:15 pm to Turbeauxdog
quote:Well believe it or not, people can be resuscitated. At the very least the need to restrain the guy decreases when they don't have a pulse.
So he kept his knee on a dead guy?
Who cares?
What I said is in response to the posters indicating they needed to keep pressure on because of the mythical superhuman criminals who while handcuffed can get up and beat 4 cops to death.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:18 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
Well believe it or not, people can be resuscitated. At the very least the need to restrain the guy decreases when they don't have a pulse.
What I said is in response to the posters indicating they needed to keep pressure on because of the mythical superhuman criminals who while handcuffed can get up and beat 4 cops to death.
So, Chauvin is guilty of not being a doctor. OFF with his head!!!
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:18 pm to BiteMe2020
quote:
Except that's not really what happened. He exhibited signs of drug overdose before the knee ever touched the neck. Simple fact.
Is protocol to react to an apparent overdose by putting your foot on the ODers neck?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:19 pm to mmcgrath
quote:Ok. That is fine. Maybe we can change the rules for the criminals where they always must be reasonable, compliant, polite and non violent. Lets do that part too.
Well maybe we could at least update the training manuals to tell the cops they should remove pressure on the neck when the arrested individual no longer shows signs of life.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:20 pm to mmcgrath
Has there been any mention of the prior relationship between Chauvin and Floyd? To me that's the most interesting angle but the vile media glosses it over because it dilutes their absurd narrative of white cops hunting down and murdering innocent black men.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:21 pm to OccamsStubble
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Is protocol to react to an apparent overdose by putting your foot on the ODers neck?
The cops didn't know what was in his system or that he was overdosed. That's Colin Kaepernick-level Monday-morning, pot-smoking quarterbacking on your part. So your point is 110% bull shite. But hey, you want to sentence people to prison for not being medical doctors, maybe you could include Fauci and "Dr. Jill" Biden.
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:21 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
Well believe it or not, people can be resuscitated.
What's your point? Was he denied attempts at resuscitation?
quote:
What I said is in response to the posters indicating they needed to keep pressure on because of the mythical superhuman criminals who while handcuffed
Dude resisted arrest for 20 mins and was out of his mind on drugs. Holding them down prone is the only reasonable approach.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:51 pm to KiwiHead
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Yes, I want Chauvin and the other cops to pay some sort of a price. Maybe not the murder charge, but something. The knee on the neck is a cruel hold that is designed to inflict real harm. If you have ever wrestled you would know that having a guy on the ground face down without the use of even one arm gives you total control of your opponent.He had both hands and arms immobilized plus there were 4 cops just standing there and if Floyd were to try something he would have been toast and this incident would have been a footnote.
Look, I get it I saw both videos. All I'm saying is that the cop used excessive unwarranted force and the fricker should have also been paying attention to the suspect. 30 seconds of a knee compressing down on the neck would have been excessive and when you see the suspect beginning to go into extremis he should have let up at the very least. Once Floyd was down on the ground and cuffed with his shoulder essentially pinned by the wheel it was over for the cops. Chauvin could have gotten up stepped two steps back and he would still have had control with his night stick if he needed to. Experieced police officers know this. My Dad's side of the family had and still has a lot of cops in it and even they say that Chauvin should not have stayed on the neck for anywhere as long as he did drugs in his system or not. Once he was on the ground face down, the cops had already won.
But, was what Chauvin did the cause of Floyd's death?
If not, certainly you don't think he should be charged with murder, right?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:57 pm to KiwiHead
quote:I wrestled in HS, never put hands on a drunk in a bar. Wonder why there are 14 weight classes in American HS wrestling? Hmmmmm......
Wanna know how I know you have never stepped foot on a mat much less attended a wrestling meet or thrown a drunk arse out of a bar?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:58 pm to moneyg
quote:
30 seconds of a knee compressing down on the neck would have been excessive
His knee was never applying any material force.
That's why Floyd was continuously able to raise his head.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:00 pm to OccamsStubble
quote:You might want to google that. I'm almost certain you will be surprised what you find. I'm also certain that it will be brought up and testimony given FOR the defense, in this trial.
Is protocol to react to an apparent overdose by putting your foot on the ODers neck?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:09 pm to BiteMe2020
quote:
The cops didn't know what was in his system or that he was overdosed. That's Colin Kaepernick-level Monday-morning, pot-smoking quarterbacking on your part. So
Not really. It Just requires that you have a reason to restrain beyond handcuffing and placing face down. The reason shouldn’t be “well he could begin to fight back”. If he does, IN THAT SITUATION, then escalate the restraint.
If not, then every cop in every situation should handcuff every suspect and place them face down and boot the neck, because, well, they might fight back at some point.
They had fat man right where they wanted him. He was going nowhere with or without a boot.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:14 pm to OccamsStubble
quote:
Not really. It Just requires that you have a reason to restrain beyond handcuffing and placing face down. The reason shouldn’t be “well he could begin to fight back”. If he does, IN THAT SITUATION, then escalate the restraint.
If not, then every cop in every situation should handcuff every suspect and place them face down and boot the neck, because, well, they might fight back at some point.
They had fat man right where they wanted him. He was going nowhere with or without a boot.
It's fact. Without the drugs in his system, this would have been a normal arrest and not a riot-inspiring national event.
He said he was having trouble breathing before the knee was on his neck.
But I get it, you want to punish the cop because he isn't a doctor.
Maybe don't deal drugs and pass counterfeit money, too. That might have saved his life.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:23 pm to mightyMick
quote:
If Chauvin walks there will be riots. If Chauvin is convicted there will be riots. There will be riots.
True. The question I have is how far does that extend out nationwide?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:31 pm to tommy2tone1999
quote:
True. The question I have is how far does that extend out nationwide?
Everywhere Soros paid for rioters to assemble. I'd assume Seattle, LA, Chicago, NY, and various other cities.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:35 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
Well maybe we could at least update the training manuals to tell the cops they should remove pressure on the neck when the arrested individual no longer shows signs of life.
Sounds about equivalent to what the outcome into any investigation of Spygate will be. FBI will make a minor change to procedure and that will be that.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:43 pm to tommy2tone1999
quote:
There will be riots.
True. The question I have is how far does that extend out nationwide?
When they rioted in downtown Charleston one night last year there were rumors Antifa folks were going to come out to my area of town to start some shite. Some were disappointed they didn't show as it would not have gone well for Antifa given the rednecks in my area. Hell, even the blacks I know here would have shot the hippie fricks.
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