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Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:08 am to Timeoday
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I wonder if this thread is treated as well as other DeSantis threads? I would not vote, would stay home if DeSantis were the nominee, even the VP, of the GOP ticket.
Yeah well you’re a moron.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:23 am to Tiger in Texas
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No doubt DeSantis is a very good Republican, but he hurt himself trying to run against Trump
DeSantis would have walked away with the nomination had there not been the black cloud of a very questionable election in 2020. Trump was going to be the nominee this time around and there really was no point in DeSantis making a bid for the nomination this year apart from showing that he intended to be a contender for that office in the future.
I'll certainly be looking forward to DeSantis in 2028. He would be a great choice for rebuilding after Trump does the required demolition portion so desperately needed in Washington.
Vance may be a good choice in 2028 as well, but I don't yet know how he will perform in an executive position versus a representative position as a senator. We've seen how DeSantis performs on the executive level and it is damned impressive.
Right now, I give DeSantis the edge in that regard, but that shouldn't be taken to mean that I believe Vance to be any less competent. I'll be watching both of them very closely in the coming few years before I cast my vote one way or the other in the primary race should they be facing each other.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:24 am to riccoar
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But in 2028, he will be top billing.
And very possibly Vance.
Who will be the VP?
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:25 am to Taxing Authority
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But he chose the wrong footwear. Gotta keep that out of white house.
Of course this is what you people hang your hat on. Admitting that Desantis abandoned his America First principles to campaign as the GOPe candidate would be too much honesty for you.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:30 am to burger bearcat
I think, DeSantis, is a good man, but was put up to run for President by the donor class in the GOP. A lot of never Trumpers were supporting DeSantis, but those are the wrong people to have backing you. Trump, has the grassroots support of the conservative side of the country. Evengelicals, for all of their bluster do not show up to vote. They just don't. It would be nice, but the common man was never rallying around, DeSantis. You can hate that if you want, but I don't know what to tell you.
I really wish he had been Trump's running mate. He could have easily walked (those boots were made for walking) into the White House. Now, he's going to have an uphill battle in 2028. We'll see I guess.
I really wish he had been Trump's running mate. He could have easily walked (those boots were made for walking) into the White House. Now, he's going to have an uphill battle in 2028. We'll see I guess.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:31 am to burger bearcat
You make a really good point but something to consider is being the governor of a state even as one as large as Florida is not even comparable to running the United States of America
And that's not saying that he couldn't be a good president
DeSantis a really good manager the height of their skills he would be running a fortune 500 company if not governor of a state
that's when he can be at his best
The Presidency as an office can limit one's stronger personality traits or make into faults
because of the involvement size and scope , personnel and other factors
former Gov seem a lot happier than former Presidents
And that's not saying that he couldn't be a good president
DeSantis a really good manager the height of their skills he would be running a fortune 500 company if not governor of a state
that's when he can be at his best
The Presidency as an office can limit one's stronger personality traits or make into faults
because of the involvement size and scope , personnel and other factors
former Gov seem a lot happier than former Presidents
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:38 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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Admitting that Desantis abandoned his America First principles to campaign as the GOPe candidate would be too much honesty for you.
This is just ignorant. The only abandoning of the "America First" principles was actually running against Trump, unless there is some policy which he proposed that you can highlight. He isn't a RINO, he isn't a "Paul Ryan/Bush sycophant." To believe that is to either be 1) brainwashed 2) ignorant or 3) willfully stupid.
He ran a bad campaign. He was also awkward on the campaign. He allowed Trump and his campaign to define him before he even announced, and from that point he never recovered.
But to suggest that RD doesn't embody and enact real conservative policies is about the dumbest thing I've read. RD is just one of many young conservatives that has a place in the movement. Whether that is as POTUS or in some other capacity is TBD.
This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 10:41 am
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:42 am to burger bearcat
But to the left he’s to the right of Hitler Trump.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:51 am to RollTide1987
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He and JD Vance are the next incarnations of Hitler - that's what we'll be told by the media when they're both running for president in 2028.
Smears by the media against DeSantis don't work on a General Electorate. In 2018, DeSantis was a racist. The voters sided with him. In 2022, DeSantis was a racist, murderer, and human trafficker. The voters sided with him.
The jury is still out on if the smears will work against Vance. It depends if Trump wins.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:54 am to Giantkiller
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Now I don't know what will happen. I'm assuming Vance will likely inherit the MAGA arm and I think that whole faction of the GOP is going to remain extremely powerful.
It depends if Trump wins. If Trump wins, you're likely correct. If Trump loses and November is an underperformance for Republicans down-ballot, Vance's Presidential ambitions are likely over. He probably would get primaried by a more conservative Republican for Senate in 2028. There's a good chance that enough GOP primary voters finally get fed up with losing yet another General Election cycle and take their frustrations out on all of those who failed them, which would include Vance. It would also include do-nothing RINO's like Lindsey Graham, MTG, Bobo the clown, Mike Johnson, and every member of the "Florida Sucks" Caucus.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:55 am to RammerJammer91
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Smears by the media against DeSantis don't work on a General Electorate. In 2018, DeSantis was a racist. The voters sided with him. In 2022, DeSantis was a racist, murderer, and human trafficker. The voters sided with him.
The only smears that worked were those from Trump and his campaign, which is unfortunate because they were not true. And it stuck, and apparently it is still believed by some of more intellectually challenged posters.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:00 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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Admitting that Desantis abandoned his America First principles to campaign as the GOPe candidate would be too much honesty for you.
Bullshite. Post the evidence. Mitt Romney said DeSantis was more dangerous than Trump. The Lincoln Project went on the record that they were rooting for Trump to win the primary. Lindsey Graham and Rick Scott sprinted as fast as they could to endorse Trump. Lindsey Graham is arguably Trump's biggest ally in Congress and ran his campaign in South Carolina. Over 90% of Trump's 2024 team worked for Bush, McCain, or Ryan. Trump's Senior Advisor, Chris LaCivita, is one of Paul Ryan's best friends and ran his PAC, for crying out loud.
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The only smears that worked were those from Trump and his campaign, which is unfortunate because they were not true. And it stuck, and apparently it is still believed by some of more intellectually challenged posters.
If Trump loses, MAGA will be begging DeSantis to fight back against Cackle's radical agenda. If Trump loses again, I think people are underestimating the number of people who will finally wake up and get tired of all the losing, and will do whatever they can to hold those who failed them, which would include Trump, accountable.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:06 am to burger bearcat
quote:Exactly. Last night we saw Vance go along with the Overton window shift to the left on Healthcare, illegals are "just people" and abortion. I doubt DeSantis would do that such as conceding that obamacare is fine since Trump adjusted it.
He has also effectively pushed conservative causes forward even when normal Republicans would have shed away from them. And by doing so, was able to stretch the overton window on these issues. That is a skill that is almost unheard of in Republican politics.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:19 am to Timeoday
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I wonder if this thread is treated as well as other DeSantis threads? I would not vote, would stay home if DeSantis were the nominee, even the VP, of the GOP ticket.
He is loved by the Bush - Cheney consortium.
Idiot.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:20 am to FreddieMac
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I was not pleased with him trying to get the nomination this year, everyone knew it would be Trump.
How dare one challenge an 80 year old who lost to Biden?
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:21 am to Swamp Angel
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DeSantis would have walked away with the nomination had there not been the black cloud of a very questionable election in 2020. Trump was going to be the nominee this time around and there really was no point in DeSantis making a bid for the nomination this year apart from showing that he intended to be a contender for that office in the future.
A lot of times people run for President, knowing they won't get the nomination, because it sets the groundwork for a future run by making contacts in other states and for fundraising, getting practice with your ground game in unfamiliar territory, having campaign infrastructure outside of your regular base, etc...
If Trump hadn't run again DeSantis would've run away with the nomination.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:24 am to Timeoday
quote:What a dipshit. The most conservatively effective governor in the country who cleaned up the voting fraud in south Florida and you'd cry and take your ball home. What an America hating little bitch you are.
I wonder if this thread is treated as well as other DeSantis threads? I would not vote, would stay home if DeSantis were the nominee, even the VP, of the GOP ticket
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:25 am to LRB1967
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He has been more effective at the hurricane response than other governors. I am sure this is appreciated by residents of Florida who have been impacted by the storm.
Bobby Jindal wants respect with natural disasters. He listed every bed filled/unfilled on an hour long news conf. It was tough to listen to it.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:26 am to RollTide1987
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He and JD Vance are the next incarnations of Hitler
Good
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