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re: Did Obama Unwittingly Kill the Democrat Party?
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:12 am to Penrod
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:12 am to Penrod
agree. Its not that simple. The Republicans have coopted the anti-war, anti-surveillance state, free speech, and liberal social planks of the old democrat platform, while hanging on to small government, low taxes, pro business, and 2A fundamentals.
The issue with the left now is, for a generation they've built their identity around civil liberty and global peace. Its what people in the middle liked about the democrats. They've completely abandoned that, and have done so in very public and grand fashion.
The issue with the left now is, for a generation they've built their identity around civil liberty and global peace. Its what people in the middle liked about the democrats. They've completely abandoned that, and have done so in very public and grand fashion.
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Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:14 am to Vacherie Saint
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while hanging on to small government,
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:14 am to KCT
Yes, but not for the reasons you listed. Obama purged the Dem OGs, especially ones having anything to do with the Clintons, and turned the party into a PR enterprise, and subsequently married off all of his people like Christian IX to media enterprises. The Obama admin was masterful at sweeping shite under the rug while simultaneously framing concealment as administrative miracles
For a time, it was an election machine but it inevitably collapsed on itself when their positions, often conflicting one another in principle, don't allow them to perform even basic governance and that's where the cracks are really starting to manifest. I do think they also overestimated how much they'd actually be able to control online discourse which probably doomed them from the beginning
Nancy kept them in line for a long time (we don't talk enough about how talented she actually was as a legislator), at least the ones facing the camera but that's over now. It's going to get worse for them
For a time, it was an election machine but it inevitably collapsed on itself when their positions, often conflicting one another in principle, don't allow them to perform even basic governance and that's where the cracks are really starting to manifest. I do think they also overestimated how much they'd actually be able to control online discourse which probably doomed them from the beginning
Nancy kept them in line for a long time (we don't talk enough about how talented she actually was as a legislator), at least the ones facing the camera but that's over now. It's going to get worse for them
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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But people like SFP claim not to have a clue that the toxic optics that the low-life Democrats presented to the nation during President Trump's speech have seriously wounded an already-reeling party.
And now you're just making shite up. On brand
Okay, genius. Then, you tell me. In your own words, what's your current assessment of the Democrat Party?
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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The Obama obsession many of y'all have is fascinating behavior.
You're more obsessed with a forum that doesn't like you.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:19 am to Bama Bird
yep. you can get make a ton of sausage in the shadows, like the Clintons did. Obama probably flew a little too close to the sun.
Consider how much of government corruption and partisanship was unintentionally revealed to the people by the left's psychotic overreaction to Trump. Had Hillary been elected, we'd essentially be Germany right now.
Consider how much of government corruption and partisanship was unintentionally revealed to the people by the left's psychotic overreaction to Trump. Had Hillary been elected, we'd essentially be Germany right now.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:19 am to VOR
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The reality is that some people were traumatized by the election of a black Democrat.
oh good grief - the vast majority of conservatives actually accepted the reality of a bad election result with the anticipation of = "at least this will end all the bullshite "RACISM" bullshite"
we were wrong! Thta son-of-a-bitch actually doubled down on the stupidity - race relations took a nose-dive because of him - THAT is why we hate him so much.
HE was the one who COULD have put the nation back on an even keel wrt 'systemic racism' - yet he did the opposite - fanned the blame and poured gas on it. F' him and the horse he rode in on.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:20 am to Azkiger
if people he doesnt know hate him, imagine the people that do.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:20 am to KCT
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My question is, did Barack Hussein Obama lay the foundation for the further radicalization of the Democrat Party, which has ultimately led to the complete disintegration of the Democrats that we see today?
You about ten steps behind here. Obama is not necessarily “responsible” for all this but he was the selected vehicle execute this radicalization. The moves to do this were way over his head. There is no way the junior senator from Illinois with 1 yr in federal elected office ran a national campaign to unseat the Clinton political machine without the Dem power brokers full support and direction. So in summary all your points are correct except it was a team effort by the radical Dem leadership.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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The Obama obsession many of y'all have is fascinating behavior.
Y'all have legit made this meme real life.
You are a fricking idiot. This is the FIRST thread about obama I have seen in a month.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:20 am to SlowFlowPro
DOGE is making massive cuts in the Government Bureaucracy. I think that can be interpreted as a move to “small government “. Obama/Dem Party are “spread the wealth around “ Socialist. Plain and simple. At least Obama and Bernie are sincere and up front while grifters like Biden are sickening.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:21 am to SaturatedPhat
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Are you really this retarded? It’s been wall to wall sky screaming about Trump since 2015. That is obsession.
The poster is not dumb by any means but he is a self professed libertarian who can’t help but show his bias for Big Government Leftism come through time and time again.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:22 am to KCT
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Then, you tell me. In your own words, what's your current assessment of the Democrat Party?
Already posted on page 2
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It's not an individual person.
I mean if you want ONE person, it's Trump. And to the smoothbrains, that's not a criticism of Trump.
I've written about this at length since 2017 or so.
The American Left had its 8 years in charge and the Zeitgeist was naturally swinging back, which is how Trump was able to beat Hillary. In a normal situation, the country would move back counter to the ruling party that was just ousted. However, Trump was able to become such an iconic figure for the Left they were able to project this into the mainstream during his first admin and we never really had that move right.
There are other incidents like Charlottesville that have nothing to do with Trump but were able to be used to turn the tide away from the shfit.
The lack of this normal "shift back" was giving the Left another entire cycle basically to keep moving Left, and they got into Looney Tune territory with things like trannies and immigration. The tide was turning in 2021 (see: Youngkin in VA) but then Dobbs happened and the Left got another intervening incident that made the public resist moving to the right (which led to bright red states having lots of anti-Dobbs voting in 2022).
So, by 2024, after the Left was given basically almost 2 full cultural cycles, things had ended up WAY too left. Add in the economic malaise and effects of Covid, and you had the combination of (1) economic forces and (2) cultural forces to hand the non-Left a landslide victory.
That's why I kept mocking the Black Pill idiots constantly last year who were convinced "They" would never let Trump win.
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I think demographics played a role here.
Also, IIRC the biggest gains were educated white people moving forward.
What flipped had nothing to do with race (directly) and became a class thing. The urban-rural divide (which was growing pre-Obama) kept growing as well as class/education. The DEMs became the party of the urban, educated, and minorities and the GOP became a white working class party. This was due to Trump, though, more than Obama.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:22 am to Azkiger
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You're more obsessed with a forum that doesn't like you.
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with a forum that doesn't like you.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:23 am to RCDfan1950
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DOGE is making massive cuts in the Government Bureaucracy.
DOGE has done nothing except "identify" things.
The CR yesterday showed that cuts will not be made in spending. That was the real test.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:23 am to RCDfan1950
ignore him. he's just an angry, fat little retard who has literally no friends. He knows that we have two parties, and of the two republicans are clearly the party of smaller government. he knows that THOUSANDS of federal workers are being fired as we speak. he knows agencies like the DOE are being dismantled. he just needs the attention.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:26 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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why they threw the border open and imported millions upon millions of illegals.
they needed real people to back up the BALLOTS they were filling out in the dark of night.
The expected to give them all the right to vote 'legally' = and if not for Trump would have succeeded - catastrophically for the USA.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:26 am to Vacherie Saint
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and of the two republicans are clearly the party of smaller government.
There are no "small government" parties anymore in the age of MAGA/populism.
You were discussing how the GOP changed. You were incorrect on this part.
The GOP co-opted the big government position of the DEMs.
And you will likely ignorantly reply with something about DOGE or Turmp's EOs while ignoring the power consolidation in the Executive this strategy is attempting to create. That is in no way decreasing federal power and it's expanding federal power in a consolidated role.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 9:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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Someone brings up facts to counter a weak OP and bad question
Wrong. If you weren't smart enough to figure out that Obama was a radical who got by on fake charm and a worshipping media, that's your problem. Dude, do you think we can't see the incredible disparity with regards to how you constantly mock Trump, yet any critical evaluation of Obama sends you off the cliff?
Do you really think the posters here can't see thru you? To say that you are incredibly disingenuous is a colossal understatement.
Like I said earlier, let's hear your current assessment of the Democrat Party and how they have arrived at this incredible low point in their history.
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