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re: Dispensationalism is a Heresy
Posted on 8/24/25 at 10:38 pm to Prodigal Son
Posted on 8/24/25 at 10:38 pm to Prodigal Son
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“Harald” is really a banned troll named Squirrelmeister.
He isn’t a troll. You just hate what he has to say.
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 10:42 pm to CorchJay
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But I’m sure you wouldn’t know that because you probably don’t need the Bible because Clement or Ignatius read it for you a couple thousand years ago.
Right. CorchJay from Tigerdroppings is much more knowledgeable than those people. You’re an ignorant twat. 
Posted on 8/24/25 at 10:51 pm to Mo Jeaux
You still haven’t answered the question. No iconography? Or yes you’ve seen it in your churches?
Posted on 8/24/25 at 10:58 pm to CorchJay
I’m not Catholic, but your iconoclasm is weird. Again, you’ve proven yourself to be a dumb ignorant rube. I hate that people like you actually have a voice in the discourse of our foreign policy.
Posted on 8/24/25 at 10:59 pm to CorchJay
quote:I know a zealot when i see one
You don’t want to get into this argument Chex it’s beyond your depth.
Posted on 8/24/25 at 11:09 pm to Mo Jeaux
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He isn’t a troll.
If it's really Squirrelmeister he is the definition of a troll.
Posted on 8/24/25 at 11:23 pm to CorchJay
quote:Look at the name of the thread. Dispensationalism holds the modern day state of Isreal to a god-like status. You're here continuously arguing for dispensationalism, therefore it tracks. Unless you don't know your own theology? Which also tracks, too, for dispensationalists.
I haven’t mentioned Israel if I’m not mistaken.
quote:I'm not Catholic, I'm Orthodox. I told you that in the post before, or do you not know the almost 1000 year old difference between the two? That tracks as well. I'm not surprised.
But you or any of the Catholics have yet to answer my question if they have the Mother and Child iconography?
So it's not good enough to call the 2000 year old original Christians, "paganists" for their, "idol worship," but now supposed child iconography makes it even worse? It's so hard and exhausting to keep up with all of your denominations and your putrid hate for ancient Christianity. Please advise on how your accusation of, "child worship" makes the ORIGINAL church even MORE heretical than what your 100,000 denominations have come up with. Make it as clear as your theology, which is as clear as mud. AGAIN: tell the class which theology of your hundreds of thousands is the truth. This IS an extremely easy answer to a question. Mine is Eastern Orthodoxy. What is yours?
quote:Still can't keep up. Keeps calling me a Catholic even though I told you I'm not Catholic- I'm Orthodox. But for the sake of my Catholic brethren, tell us which of the 100,000,000+ protestant truths we should go to for the truth of the matter. You're a dispensationalist, and Sola Scriptura is what you proclaim (even though there was no "Scripture" for the first 3 centuries of Christendom, even though it popped up 1500 years after Christ died on the cross and the Christians He taught and who built the church and canonized the Bible died), so tell us idol worshippers and pagans which theology we should go with, oh righteous man?
Another thing we actually know our scriptural arguments we don’t have to go to some website like Catholic Answers to see what someone else said on a topic.
quote:Of course we do. That's not exclusive to your one of hundreds of thousands of denominations. I am not righteous, and neither are you, no matter what pastor Tom and his 8 years of Apostolic authority say. Who in the hell do you people think you are to proclaim that billions who follow the original Church don't? Oh righteous man?
We have a personal relationship with Jesus.
quote:Yikes. Absolutely zero fruits of the spirit over here. We've got a holy roller on our hands here. Only coach Jason is a saint. The rest of us Orthodox and Catholics are pagan Satan worshippers headed to hell in a hurry.
We don’t need a miracle to happen during mass to bring Jesus into the service by a prayer and a ringing of a bell.
Narrow is the gate.
Good luck. You'll need it.
This post was edited on 8/24/25 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 8/24/25 at 11:49 pm to AuburnTigers
What kind of zealot am I?
Christian zealot? Yes. Correct unashamed
Christian zealot? Yes. Correct unashamed
Posted on 8/24/25 at 11:50 pm to RobbBobb
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No one sat in churches for 300 years with nothing to guide them. NO ONE. The Catholics need to quit lying to its people
Bill over here thinking early Christians left their 40 acres in their Chevy Tahoe and, "sat" in church across the county and listened to readings from the "Sola Scriptura" canonized Bible. THEY HAD THE CHURCH AND ITS TRADITIONS, DUDE. THAT'S THE ANSWER. You can't make it up. The terrible result of the Reformation is expressed in this one quote alone. quote:Bless your little heart. I've been waiting on a heretical prot to bring this nonsense.
RobbBobb
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The Jewish–Christian Gospels were gospels of a Jewish Christian character quoted by Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Eusebius, Epiphanius, Jerome and probably Didymus the Blind. All five call the gospel the "Gospel of the Hebrews"
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In the standard edition of Schneemelcher, he creates three different Jewish–Christian gospels by dividing up references by the church fathers. Schneemelcher called works or gospels:
The Gospel of the Ebionites.
The Gospel of the Hebrews.
The Gospel of the Nazarenes
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The Gospel of the Hebrews presented traditions of Christ's pre-existence, coming into the world, baptism and temptation, with some of his sayings. It was composed in Greek in the first half of the 2nd century and used among Greek-speaking Jewish Christians in Egypt. It is known from fragments preserved chiefly by Clement, Origen and Jerome, and shows a high regard for James, the brother of Jesus and head of the Jewish Christian church in Jerusalem.
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The Gospel of the Nazarenes existed due to references in Jerome and Origen. It seems to have much in common with the canonical Gospel of Matthew, and would have been written in Palestinian Aramaic in the first half of the 2nd century for use by Nazarenes
quote:Aside from the literal historical fallacies of these protestant, nonsensical coping mechanisms to demean, blasphemy and belittle the early church fathers and mothers, you STILL can't wrap your heretical prot mind around the fact that there is another entirely different church aside from the Catholic church. How many times must you people be informed that there is an actual, historical, TRUE Apostolic church from the day of Pentecost that's not reformed protestant, nor Catholic?
Writings attributed to the apostles circulated among the earliest Christian communities. The Pauline epistles were circulating, perhaps in collected forms, by the end of the 1st century AD. Justin Martyr, in the mid 2nd century, mentions "memoirs of the apostles" as being read on "the day called that of the sun" (Sunday) alongside the "writings of the prophets." A defined set of four gospels was asserted by Irenaeus, c. 180, who refers to it directly.
It completely invalidates any heretical nonsense that you spew forth when you don't even know church history.
"To be deep in church history is to cease to be protestant," and all that (said by a Catholic brother in Christ, by the way). Dispensationalists will literally argue historical factual information with nonsense, and, quite literally, lies they've been fed, to try to cope with your heresies.
This post was edited on 8/24/25 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 8/24/25 at 11:55 pm to mudshuvl05
I never understood where this slander came from that Catholics don’t know or read the Bible. I guess a lot of Protestants are just haters and looking for validation that they’re “different” and “better” than those mean ol’ Papists with their big Cathedrals and standardized doctrine.
The Catholics and Orthodox churches have their disagreements (particularly over iconoclasm), but there seems to be a great deal more respect between them. I don’t run into Catholic vs Protestant flame wars online, but I run into no shortage of anti-Papist rhetoric by Protestants.
Also, trying to cause the apocalypse (something Jesus said that man is not meant to know the date or time of) is the greatest act of hubristic worship since the Tower of Babel. It is utterly moronic to base one’s foreign policy upon ushering in the End of Days. If I wanted to support a political death cult, I would be a climate alarmist. The Israel-first crowd is just as idiotic, misguided, and dangerous as the de-growth, net-zero nut jobs.
The Catholics and Orthodox churches have their disagreements (particularly over iconoclasm), but there seems to be a great deal more respect between them. I don’t run into Catholic vs Protestant flame wars online, but I run into no shortage of anti-Papist rhetoric by Protestants.
Also, trying to cause the apocalypse (something Jesus said that man is not meant to know the date or time of) is the greatest act of hubristic worship since the Tower of Babel. It is utterly moronic to base one’s foreign policy upon ushering in the End of Days. If I wanted to support a political death cult, I would be a climate alarmist. The Israel-first crowd is just as idiotic, misguided, and dangerous as the de-growth, net-zero nut jobs.
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 12:02 am
Posted on 8/25/25 at 12:02 am to mudshuvl05
I made no argument of child worship. I asked about the statues and iconography of the Mother and Child stuff in the RCC. I’m a former Roman Catholic so trust me I know all the arguments and know how the Churches are setup. I do respect and love the 12 stations of the Cross in most Catholics churches. I have serious issues with the Mother and Child stuff. And I stated why because it’s paganism. It’s Semiramis and Tammuz. It’s not Mary and Jesus. The sun disk behind them should give it away yet is overlooked by the RCC because it’s been accepted since its inception because they welcomed in Roman and Phoenician culture into the Church.
I haven’t debated at all a dispensational view of Israel today nor will I. Not all dispensationalist believe exactly the same. However I will state that I don’t believe the church replaced Israel. God will go back to dealing with Israel in the tribulation because that is what the tribulation is fr. The tribulation is about the salvation of the Jewish nation. It’s not for the Church. I’m a part of the Church, the Body of Christ. I’m not Jewish. So why would I concern myself with Jewish issues.
Most dispensationalist aren’t John Hagee. I agree that most support the nation of Israel but aren’t at all a central tenant of their beliefs.
I haven’t debated at all a dispensational view of Israel today nor will I. Not all dispensationalist believe exactly the same. However I will state that I don’t believe the church replaced Israel. God will go back to dealing with Israel in the tribulation because that is what the tribulation is fr. The tribulation is about the salvation of the Jewish nation. It’s not for the Church. I’m a part of the Church, the Body of Christ. I’m not Jewish. So why would I concern myself with Jewish issues.
Most dispensationalist aren’t John Hagee. I agree that most support the nation of Israel but aren’t at all a central tenant of their beliefs.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 12:09 am to kingbob
quote:It comes down to this, a quote from a dispensationalist above:
The Catholics and Orthodox churches have their disagreements (particularly over iconoclasm), but there seems to be a great deal more respect between them.
quote:They cannot reconcile the importance of the church. They had no canonized Bible - nothing even close - for 300 years, because Christ had not decreed it time for His Church founders to compile it. They can't reconcile the fact that the THE church is so important because of it. Apostolic succession is a critical component of Christianity, and there's no doubt in my mind that Catholicism and Orthodoxy will likely never be one church again, and it's because Christ knows mankind and knew there had to be two different sects of His church to meet the needs of mankind.
No one sat in churches for 300 years with nothing to guide them. NO ONE. The Catholics need to quit lying to its people
He also never intended on a handful of men to alter His Church and turn it into hundreds of thousands of denominations, but fair of a God as He is, He gave man free will, so here we are (unless you're a Calvanist or one of the hundreds of Calvanist offshoot denominations, then it's off the the races).
Posted on 8/25/25 at 12:20 am to mudshuvl05
Honestly, I could see a reconciliation between the Greeks and Latins happening in this century. There have been some serious conversations between Popes and Patriarchs with some very significant compromises agreed to over the past decade. There even seems to be some discussion of welcoming back the Anglicans to a limited extent. While the differences between the faiths are important, they share far far more in common than they differ. I hope to someday see the two great apostolic brothers reunited and reinvigorated to fight their common enemies: atheism and militant Islam. I hope our Protestant cousins will join us in that fight, but they seem far more interested in fighting us and each other than in saving Western civilization from Marxists and Islamists.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 12:32 am to CorchJay
quote:I'm not Roman Catholic. Say it with me: I'm not Roman Catholic. Which tells me you weren't Roman Catholic, but had a Roman Catholic aunt and uncle.
I’m a former Roman Catholic so trust me I know all the arguments and know how the Churches are setup.
quote:Righteous man telling billions of Christians we/they are pagans. Hell, we should start worshipping coach. He knows who's going to hell. Sounds Iike God to me.
And I stated why because it’s paganism.
quote:Again, tell the class which dispensationalist cult has the truth of the matter. Answer the question. It is not a hard, nor a gotcha question: Which theology should we pagans follow?
Not all dispensationalist believe exactly the same.
Just answer the question dude.
quote:Heresy. Blasphemy. Apostasy.
However I will state that I don’t believe the church replaced Israel.
quote:Zionist Scofield heresy.
God will go back to dealing with Israel in the tribulation because that is what the tribulation is fr. The tribulation is about the salvation of the Jewish nation.
quote:Zionist heresy.
The tribulation is about the salvation of the Jewish nation. It’s not for the Church.
quote:If you are a part of the Church you are Israel.
I’m a part of the Church, the Body of Christ. I’m not Jewish.
quote:Because they aren't Israel, although you worship them as your god.
So why would I concern myself with Jewish issues.
quote:You quite literally typed an entire paragraph debating your dispensationalist view of Israel and you did below.
I haven’t debated at all a dispensational view of Israel today nor will I.
quote:It is quite literally a central a tenant of your heretical belief system. You just spoke multiple hereies against The Christ and His new covenant while elevating the modern day state of Isreal to the god-like status that you all always do. You can't have it both ways.
I agree that most support the nation of Israel but aren’t at all a central tenant of their beliefs.
Tell the class of pagans who we should base our theology on? You have the truth, you are the truth, tell us under what church is the truth to be found. Answer the question.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 12:39 am to kingbob
quote:Your new pope is not going to reunite the two Churches after 1000 years, particularly because the original Church, i.e., Eastern Orthodoxy, will not bow to a changed church. That said, Christ has us united and He has used His Churches to His own accord and we are in better company amongst each other than we have been in centuries. Christ knows His mankind needed 2 Churches to meet our needs. There's no race to be won - The Crucified One has already won it.
Honestly, I could see a reconciliation between the Greeks and Latins happening in this century. There have been some serious conversations between Popes and Patriarchs with some very significant compromises agreed to over the past decade. There even seems to be some discussion of welcoming back the Anglicans to a limited extent. While the differences between the faiths are important, they share far far more in common than they differ. I hope to someday see the two great apostolic brothers reunited and reinvigorated to fight their common enemies: atheism and militant Islam. I hope our Protestant cousins will join us in that fight, but they seem far more interested in fighting us and each other than in saving Western civilization from Marxists and Islamists.
Ave Christus Rex.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 1:41 am to SkiUtah420
As an Atheist I read these interactions on religion and find it very interesting to see how everyone threads their own personal needle. There are 30,000+ denominations of Christianity, most of them are fairly close in their belief system with only minor differences but each believe theirs is the true interpretation. I've read, I mean really studied the Bible many times and I've never found anything convincing in it to base my belief system on. So obviously from my perspective it's frustrating that we extend our support of a nation based on biblical reasons.
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 1:50 am
Posted on 8/25/25 at 2:06 am to MTurbo
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I've read, I mean really studied the Bible many times and I've never found anything convincing in it to base my belief system on.
You have read curated accounts of people who have experienced higher meaning in a divinity.
That divinity is real. The texts are flawed and always have been. Ever wonder why there is no "Book of Jesus"?
He was an educated man and could write and read.
The reason is that full understanding of the relationship we have with God is personal. It can't be defined and forced to submit to a rulebook.
That would be denying the all powerful nature of God.
Can you imagine how ridiculous it would be if an all powerful being was restricted by text in a book?
Posted on 8/25/25 at 2:25 am to 10thyrsr
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Can you imagine how ridiculous it would be if an all powerful being was restricted by text in a book?
The Bible is the basic outline of Christian story, it's the most basic acceptance of Christianity. I've also studied the Torah and Tanakh which are the primary source for knowledge on the history of Jewish people and the origins of Christianity. It seems ridiculous that an all powerful all knowing being would leave it up to interpretation and suspension of the known universe to believe the texts.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 2:27 am to MTurbo
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It seems ridiculous that an all powerful all knowing being would leave it up to interpretation
This is what he wanted, no?
Posted on 8/25/25 at 2:38 am to Tunasntigers92
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This is what he wanted, no?
Who is he? If he is the all powerful being then how do we know he exists? Or even it's gender?
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