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re: Do you believe in global warming?
Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:35 pm to Dale51
Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:35 pm to Dale51
quote:(not to answer for him, but I'm guessing) Becuse man is fundamentally flawed and predisposed to inflicting evil upon the world. It's the same concept as "original sin". Just a different method of salvation seeking. That's all.
Why do you believe we'll ruin the planet at all??
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 7:40 pm
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Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:37 pm to Clear for the option
quote:Nah. Science is settled. Consensus. No more thinking required. Only acceptance and belief.
But the MOST important thing about all this is CRITICAL EVALUATION.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:37 pm to rpg37
Yes. I just don't buy the doomsday predictions about the effects.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:51 pm to rpg37
I believe that the climate changes, but I attribute that to its own natural fluctuations and processes. I don't believe that man has any significant contribution to the changing of the climate, at least not on the scale that many will try to lead you to believe.
I can understand and even agree with (to a certain extent), certain measures for less pollution (as in trash and other crap in bodies of water and stuff) and for better air quality. However, I think there is a limit to what should be done even in this area.
I can understand and even agree with (to a certain extent), certain measures for less pollution (as in trash and other crap in bodies of water and stuff) and for better air quality. However, I think there is a limit to what should be done even in this area.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:52 pm to Dale51
Because 6B+ people are using resources at an increasing rate. Eventually that has to create repercussions.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:58 pm to Taxing Authority
Literally why I said to CRITICALLY EVALUATE. So you don't blindly accept that as the truth, which you clearly have because there is "only acceptance and believe" and "science is settled." However science is one of the greatest fields because it is so often proved otherwise. Einsteins theory of relativity was disproved this year. In psychology the blank slate theory was disproved. NASA Disproved common theories of lift such as the skipping stone theory, the Venturi theory (the one that was commonly taught to people where there is pressure differences on the surface of the wings causing lift), and both Bernoulli and Newtons lift theories. Science is never settled.
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:00 pm to Bestbank Tiger
This is where I can see people debating since all predictions are exactly that. But anyone who thinks climate change is a "political" topic is an idiot.
However, I do think things like rising sea levels, expanding desertification, ocean-acidification, etc... are all very realistic outcomes of our continued carbon output. And as we've seen in small scale situations, ecosystems are fragile and don't typically adapt to rapid change, so when applied to a climatological region you can see how these "doomsday" predictions come about.
However, I do think things like rising sea levels, expanding desertification, ocean-acidification, etc... are all very realistic outcomes of our continued carbon output. And as we've seen in small scale situations, ecosystems are fragile and don't typically adapt to rapid change, so when applied to a climatological region you can see how these "doomsday" predictions come about.
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:04 pm to rpg37
GOOGLE ASTROMETRIA
Other planets in our solar system warmed the same time earth did. Man did NOT cause it. The sun caused it.
Put your Faith in God, not man made global warming.
There is more proof that God exists than proof that man causes global warming.
Other planets in our solar system warmed the same time earth did. Man did NOT cause it. The sun caused it.
Put your Faith in God, not man made global warming.
There is more proof that God exists than proof that man causes global warming.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:14 pm to djmicrobe
Well I'm glad you have faith, but don't put my future and the future of my offspring at risk because of it please.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:24 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
Becuse man is fundamentally flawed and predisposed to inflicting evil upon the world. It's the same concept as "original sin". Just a different method of salvation seeking. That's all.
Raw nature is more evil. Animals eating their young...eating other creatures alive as they scream for thie lives..diseases causing horrifically slow deaths, etc.
frick nature.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:28 pm to lynxcat
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Because 6B+ people are using resources at an increasing rate. Eventually that has to create repercussions.
Not necessarily so. By nature humans adapt. This idea that people are just machines that keep replicating themselves into oblivion is a fallacy. I'm pretty sure the global population is leveling off, even as efficiency in food production and medicine are increasing.
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:36 pm to BigOrangeVols
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Well I'm glad you have faith, but don't put my future and the future of my offspring at risk because of it please.
The same could be said of the religion of environmentalism.
The difference? A person of faith has little power to...as you put it, "put my future and the future of my offspring at risk". The evangelical environmentalists, on the other hand, have the power of profit, influence in political arenas, etc, that CAN force their catechisms on everyone else..
Just sayin'
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:46 pm to rpg37
Yes. Earth is warming. 12,000 years ago there was an ice sheet a mile deep as thick as today's Greenland covering New York. It is not there anymore. The entire landscape of North America is different now because of the retreating ice sheet. 12,000 years is nothing in terms of "deep time". It is only about twice as old as recorded history. Mars had polar ice caps 60 years ago. Ain't there no more. Humans have nothing to do with this.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:56 pm to rpg37
I don't "believe in" global warming in the same way I don't "believe in" evolution or nuclear fission or photosynthesis. I acknowledge the reality of demonstrable fundamental scientific principles. There's nothing to "believe in", you either acknowledge reality or you don't.
Choosing to not "believe in" global warming is like not believing in blue Ford trucks. It isn't a matter of belief, you're simply ignoring demonstrable reality.
Choosing to not "believe in" global warming is like not believing in blue Ford trucks. It isn't a matter of belief, you're simply ignoring demonstrable reality.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:57 pm to Dale51
Yeah, you are "just sayin'" your opinion that's based on belief. I'm basing mine off quantifiable observations.
And your argument makes no sense; in denying our impact on climate you're directly supporting the fossil fuel industry which does exactly what you're describing.
And your argument makes no sense; in denying our impact on climate you're directly supporting the fossil fuel industry which does exactly what you're describing.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:59 pm to lynxcat
quote:
Because 6B+ people are using resources at an increasing rate. Eventually that has to create repercussion
Population decline is coming, probably in less than 50 years.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:59 pm to rpg37
Nope, not for one second
Another b.s. fabrication of the Left
Another b.s. fabrication of the Left
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:02 pm to rpg37
AGW is horseshite. Climate cycles are real because we have had ice ages and shite.
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:05 pm to BigOrangeVols
quote:
Yeah, you are "just sayin'" your opinion that's based on belief. I'm basing mine off quantifiable observations. And your argument makes no sense; in denying our impact on climate you're directly supporting the fossil fuel industry which does exactly what you're describing.
You missed my point. The people of traditional faith..simply living their lives, have little ability to force ANY of their beliefs on anyone else.
The environmentalist activists, politicians, and lobbyists CAN pass regulations that force everyone to bow to their catechisms.
The demonizing of fossil fuels is generic at best.
In the last 70 years or so the Earth has greened, the environment has become healthier, and people health and quality of life has improved greatly. This should be obvious.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:10 pm to rpg37
I believe in climate change
What I don't believe in is spending $billions of taxpayer dollars every year trying to combat something when we a.)aren't positive this is man created. b.)aren't sure the money spent will do anything. c.)have much more pressing matters where that money could go towards.
What I don't believe in is spending $billions of taxpayer dollars every year trying to combat something when we a.)aren't positive this is man created. b.)aren't sure the money spent will do anything. c.)have much more pressing matters where that money could go towards.
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