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re: EU to form an Army force by 2025
Posted on 11/14/22 at 9:12 am to Tigers2010a
Posted on 11/14/22 at 9:12 am to Tigers2010a
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Never work as a real fighting force. Multi-national forces simply lack cohesion. At least one real horse has to pull the cart.
The whole reason they are creating it is to handle refugee situations, both coming up from Africa/ME and now across the borders from Ukraine/Belarus, etc.
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 9:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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In view of the increasingly precarious security situation worldwide, the European Union is working flat out on a new rapid military intervention force with up to 5,000 soldiers. Depending on requirements, the “EU Rapid Deployment Capacity” (RDC) should include not only ground troops, but also air and naval forces.
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According to information from WELT AM SONNTAG, the EU defense ministers want to make a fundamental decision on Tuesday: the first two of five planned scenarios for the military operation are to be adopted.
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EU chief diplomat Josep Borrell explained the project to WELT AM SONNTAG: “As a first step, we created two possible deployment scenarios for the EU intervention force: rescue and evacuation operations and, as a second scenario, the beginning (initial phase) of a stabilization mission. These deployment scenarios will help us to further define the required capabilities for the EU Response Force and hold the first military exercise in the second half of 2023.” This is to take place in Spain. Germany wants to be the first country to lead the new intervention force after it starts in 2025. However, this has not yet been decided.
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An evacuation mission is primarily about rescuing European citizens from crisis regions in an emergency. There should not be another largely unplanned withdrawal like in the summer of 2021 from Afghanistan. One would like to prepare for such cases in good time. Somalia or Libya would be conceivable as target countries for such a scenario.
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A stabilization mission means that crisis response forces, if necessary with robust military means, bring about stability and secure peace in the short term. The soldiers could be heavily armed. From today's perspective, possible locations for this could be the Ukraine or Moldova. The security expert at the Berlin-based Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik (SWP), Markus Kaim, said the new task force could also be used to secure a "protection zone in Ukraine" - for example, if the UN agrees to a future ceasefire agreement between Moscow and Kyiv mandate for a peacekeeping force
Here’s the first half of the article translated.
German article
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 9:16 am
Posted on 11/14/22 at 9:13 am to Indefatigable
quote:Finland and Sweden have applied for NATO membership
The EU has members who are not a part of NATO
That leaves Austria, Ireland, Malta and Cyprus as EU members who aren't also in NATO. None of which have shared borders with a hostile neighbor
quote:All of those operations would be done with the overwhelming majority, if not all, of the military assets coming from NATO countries anyway.
According to a report by the German newspaper Die Welt, an agreement on the creation of the force is expected to be reached as early as Tuesday, with it set to be granted competency for “evacuation” and “stabilisation” missions.
The former of these tasks reportedly involves the escorting of civilians out of a threatened area, such as with the recent airlift of various foreign nationals and intelligence assets out of Afghanistan, while the latter involves the EU military force being deployed in a region for the purpose of securing “stability” and a short term “peace”.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 9:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm not the one making the arguments based on Brietbart's (clearly objective) analysis of the article
See translated part of the German article above.
They’re meeting Tuesday to discuss plans
Posted on 11/14/22 at 9:18 am to Tiger Prawn
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Finland and Sweden have applied for NATO membership
That leaves Austria, Ireland, Malta and Cyprus as EU members who aren't also in NATO. None of which have shared borders with a hostile neighbor
And? The EU is still a separate entity that can do what it wants. The EU, like NATO, is not an offensive military threat to Russia or anyone else.
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All of those operations would be done with the overwhelming majority, if not all, of the military assets coming from NATO countries anyway.
Ok? They wouldn't be operating under NATO command in this instance. Its nothing other than an EU peacekeeping force.
Ya'll are trying way too hard to make this a thing.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 9:19 am
Posted on 11/14/22 at 9:39 am to Deuces
Wow. An entire 5,000 soldiers?
They trying to defend against soccer hooligans or perhaps a rowdy kindergarten?
File this under “who gives a shite?”
They trying to defend against soccer hooligans or perhaps a rowdy kindergarten?
File this under “who gives a shite?”
Posted on 11/14/22 at 9:49 am to m2pro
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shite. How much is that going to cost us?
quote:and that's a conservative estimate
40 quadrabillion fajillion.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:10 am to Deuces
Infowars talked about this. Alex Jones right again
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:15 am to Deuces
Like it or not, the Eu is a federal nation-state. Why should it not have a military?
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:16 am to AggieHank86
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Like it or not, the Eu is a federal nation-state. Why should it not have a military?
Good ol moderate libertarian's hot take again
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:16 am to GeauxZone90
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Infowars talked about this. Alex Jones right again
Once again, everyone everywhere, including the EU itself, has been predicting or call for this for decades.
I don't understand the "SEE THEY WERE RIGHT" posts. What were they right about?
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 11:18 am
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:18 am to upgrayedd
Do you disagree that the EU is a nation state?
Or you did do you disagree that a nation state has the right to possess a military?
Either position would be … just weird … but I would like to know which axiom you are challenging.
Or you did do you disagree that a nation state has the right to possess a military?
Either position would be … just weird … but I would like to know which axiom you are challenging.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 11:22 am
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:19 am to Tiger Prawn
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Why does the EU need a separate army from NATO forces?
I'm all for the EU having an army and disbanding NATO so we can get out of it.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:19 am to AggieHank86
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Or you did do you disagree that a nation state has the right to possess a military?
I'm still trying to get them to explain what the negative implication of this is supposed to be. Why do we care if the EU has a border guard/peacekeeping force? And more importantly, why is that a negative?
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 11:20 am
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:21 am to AggieHank86
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Do you disagree that the EU is a nation state?
Or you did do you disagree that a nation state has the right to possess a military?
They're a trade association.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:24 am to upgrayedd
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They're a trade association.
Meh. They're whatever they decide to call themselves, and can do whatever they please within the confines of their organization.
The EU is a federal entity that is more closely related to the original federalist structure of the US Constitution than the US currently is.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 11:25 am
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:27 am to Indefatigable
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Meh. They're whatever they decide to call themselves, and can do whatever they please within the confines of their organization.
The EU is a federal entity that is more closely related to the original federalist structure of the US Constitution than the US currently is.
This is the problem. It's run by unelected, and unaccountable, bureaucrats who do nothing more than enslave the less powerful countries in the organization. They have their own armies, they have NATO, and they have the UN. There's literally no reason for them to have another layer of force.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:28 am to upgrayedd
quote:You are old.
They're a trade association.
They have been MUCH more than that since the Maastricht Treaty of 1993.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:28 am to upgrayedd
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It's run by unelected
??? Every member of the EP is elected directly. All members of the European Council are elected as heads of state of their respective nations, and the President/EU Commission are elected by the EP and the EC.
Who is unelected?
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who do nothing more than enslave the less powerful countries in the organization.
With the full throated support of those nations (inb4 you point to only Hungary and Poland's migrant disagreements with Brussels)
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They have their own armies,
Most of them, yes.
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they have NATO
Many of them, yes.
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There's literally no reason for them to have another layer of force.
They want one. Simple as that.
How is that a problem in any way? Where is the danger? How does this impact you or the United States in any way? They clearly see a benefit in mounting an EU-wide response to migrant, border, and peacekeeping missions. Many of the militaries in the EU cannot do anything outside their borders without cooperation or assistance from others.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 11:32 am
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:29 am to upgrayedd
quote:In short, you do not consider the EU to be a federal union, because the member states chose not to organize themselves in the way that you personally would choose to organize a federal union.
The EU is a federal entity that is more closely related to the original federalist structure of the US Constitution than the US currently is.quote:
This is the problem. It's run by unelected, and unaccountable, bureaucrats who do nothing more than enslave the less powerful countries in the organization.
OK.
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