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re: Flaws with Republican Advice for Poor
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:00 pm to volod
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:00 pm to volod
Shorter volod:
Watch as I carefully construct this strawman, and then flog the ever-loving shite out of it.
The reality is there is no way to make a distinction between those who willfully take bad actions and make bad decisions, and those who have been caught up in bad circumstances. The taxpaying American should be under no obligation to underwrite those who willfully take bad actions and make bad decisions. It is tragic that those who are dealing with bad circumstances pay the price for those who willfully take advantage of American kindness and charity, but even that small percentage knows that hard work and perseverance in the US most often pays off.
Watch as I carefully construct this strawman, and then flog the ever-loving shite out of it.
The reality is there is no way to make a distinction between those who willfully take bad actions and make bad decisions, and those who have been caught up in bad circumstances. The taxpaying American should be under no obligation to underwrite those who willfully take bad actions and make bad decisions. It is tragic that those who are dealing with bad circumstances pay the price for those who willfully take advantage of American kindness and charity, but even that small percentage knows that hard work and perseverance in the US most often pays off.
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:00 pm to volod
I hate the poor because I was born poor and realize how easy it is to get out of poverty.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:04 pm to narddogg81
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don't have children you can't afford. Why is that controversial?
No, it is great advice. where do republicans stand on reproductive freedom? As i recall, they had a shite fit on ocare covering birth control. And we know about abortion and PP.
Republicans don't want people to have sex, that is their end goal IMHO.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:05 pm to Hawkeye95
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Republicans don't want people to have sex, that is their end goal IMHO.
I'm going to share a secret with you.
Sometimes when you're fricking, someone gets pregnant.
:themoreyouknow:
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:05 pm to volod
Why is don't have kids poor advice? If you currently cannot afford to be a parent, why the hell should you be popping out kids? Wait until you can.
Before somebody uses the "Oh so you're against abortion blah blah" argument, nope completely for it.
Before somebody uses the "Oh so you're against abortion blah blah" argument, nope completely for it.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:06 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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I will help / advise the "poors" whom I know and with whom I have some relationship in focused ways based upon my knowledge of their eituation.
Yeah, actually I do know some poors that are good people. I'll help them.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:13 pm to volod
I think most people who generally vote for republicans or conservatively (and who are not wealthy by any means) are just tired of handing more and more money via different taxes to 'help the poor'.
I don't think it's much more complicated than that. Why do 'the poor' need that money more than a family of 5 with a combined income of $125K-150K? The answer is they don't.
I don't think it's much more complicated than that. Why do 'the poor' need that money more than a family of 5 with a combined income of $125K-150K? The answer is they don't.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:14 pm to Hawkeye95
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No, it is great advice. where do republicans stand on reproductive freedom? As i recall, they had a shite fit on ocare covering birth control. And we know about abortion and PP.
Strawmen, strawmen, everywhere!
Reproductive freedom? Is reproductive freedom having the US taxpayer subsidize what other people want to do?
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covering birth control
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abortion
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PP
What the hell? I bet a lot of poor people want cars too. Should the taxpayer buy them?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:14 pm to Hawkeye95
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this is great advice. Who advocates for reprodcutive freedom? It is definitely not the republicans!
Certain Reublicans actually push for abstinence only education. And then they say democrats are the idealistic ones. Is there anything more idealistic than hoping kids don't have sex until they have degrees and/or full time good paying jobs?
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:15 pm to cahoots
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Certain Reublicans actually push for abstinence only education. And then they say democrats are the idealistic ones. Is there anything more idealistic than hoping kids don't have sex until they have degrees and/or full time good paying jobs?
Saying a woman can be a man and a man can be a woman is pretty idealistic IMO.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:18 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:so you think the only way to not have a baby is to have an abortion or not have sex?
No, it is great advice. where do republicans stand on reproductive freedom? As i recall, they had a shite fit on ocare covering birth control. And we know about abortion and PP.
Republicans don't want people to have sex, that is their end goal IMHO.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:18 pm to the808bass
I finally read it and I don't disagree with all of its statistics. NCPA is a conservative organization, but some of the info seems legit.
The only problem is it does not break down only poverty areas. The highest amount of percentage of poverty is inner city and rural areas. Comparing suberbs to poverty areas scues the stats.
In rural area there are many jobs that pay much higher than minimum wage. Teachers with masters degree make around $32,000 and in some cases they are considered in poverty.
Don't know much about the inner city, but what I do know it is hard to find jobs in the city when the higher paying jobs are moving to the suburbs. Many of the jobs in the city don't pay much above minimum/living wage.
The only problem is it does not break down only poverty areas. The highest amount of percentage of poverty is inner city and rural areas. Comparing suberbs to poverty areas scues the stats.
In rural area there are many jobs that pay much higher than minimum wage. Teachers with masters degree make around $32,000 and in some cases they are considered in poverty.
Don't know much about the inner city, but what I do know it is hard to find jobs in the city when the higher paying jobs are moving to the suburbs. Many of the jobs in the city don't pay much above minimum/living wage.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:28 pm to Hawkeye95
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This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:29 pm to narddogg81
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so you think the only way to not have a baby is to have an abortion or not have sex?
absolutely not. There is birth control pills, condoms, IUDs, and many other things.
Reality is republicans don't push these alternatives. Birth control works, and reduces abortion rates. You would think if republicans wanted fewer abortions, they would be giving away IUDs and condoms and bc pills. But they aren't? Why aren't they?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:29 pm to MizzouBS
In order to be under the poverty line with $32,000 of income, you'd need 6 people in your family.
And the reality of $32,000 in Eminence, MO is that your home may have cost just twice your salary.
We do have issues in rural areas that aren't easy to see a fix to. I drive through Ellsbery, Louisiana, Owensville and a host of other small Missouri towns regularly. Not sure how people live there.
And the reality of $32,000 in Eminence, MO is that your home may have cost just twice your salary.
We do have issues in rural areas that aren't easy to see a fix to. I drive through Ellsbery, Louisiana, Owensville and a host of other small Missouri towns regularly. Not sure how people live there.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:47 pm to Hawkeye95
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You would think if republicans wanted fewer abortions, they would be giving away IUDs and condoms and bc pills. But they aren't? Why aren't they?
Because free shite isn't free. Why is it so hard to understand this? What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. Paying for another person's decisions through the force of government is not freedom. It's not liberty. It's not democracy.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:49 pm to Homesick Tiger
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That's what you don't WANT to understand - we do not loathe poorness - we loathe laziness. There is a difference.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:50 pm to Hawkeye95
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No, it is great advice. where do republicans stand on reproductive freedom? As i recall, they had a shite fit on ocare covering birth control. And we know about abortion and PP.
Republicans don't want people to have sex, that is their end goal IMHO.
When did Republicans ever prevent someone from going to the local health clinic and getting some free condoms? Surely you're not this fricking stupid. Then again, maybe you are.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:52 pm to Hawkeye95
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You would think if republicans wanted fewer abortions, they would be giving away IUDs and condoms and bc pills. But they aren't? Why aren't they?
You can get free condoms at any public health clinic, dipshit.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 2:53 pm
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