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re: Floyd did not die from asphyxiation
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:10 pm to Smeg
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:10 pm to Smeg
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A restraint technique that police are trained to do and use all the time is definitely close to the equivalent of abandoning someone, hog-tied, in the woods for two weeks!
You are more likely to die of that choke hold, so yeah
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:10 pm to rt3
Doctor, can you agree that the force applied to the back of his neck was a contributing factor in the death of George Floyd?
It goes both ways. The sad part is that you're arguing for the side of the cop.
It goes both ways. The sad part is that you're arguing for the side of the cop.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:10 pm to rt3
quote:Officer Kneelonneck continued kneeling for 2 1/2 minutes AFTER his partner claims to have told him Floyd had no pulse
which was unknown to my client
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:10 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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I think anyone with an IQ above 20 can see there's a difference between shaking someone's hand firmly and kneeling on the back of someone's neck for 10 minutes.
You just equated kneeling on someone's back for 10 minutes with leaving someone hog-tied in the woods for two weeks. Are you insane, stupid, or just a bad liar with an agenda?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:11 pm to Rex Feral
quote:Yes it does. This is how Chauvin will be acquitted, which will spark more riots, just in time for the election.
Well that doesn't fit everyone's narrative.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:11 pm to sicboy
damn, that sounds horrible man. I'm sorry.
And you're right, the "I can't breathe" thing is being taken way too literally. People say that when they're struggling to breathe, which could happen for a ton of reasons. (Hell I've had some stressful situations in life that made me feel like my chest was about to explode, and it's nothing compared to this.)
Using that argument is essentially using semantics to punish the guy who was dying for not saying "I am struggling to breathe due to a myriad of factors, chief of which is this fricking grown man kneeling on my back and neck."
And you're right, the "I can't breathe" thing is being taken way too literally. People say that when they're struggling to breathe, which could happen for a ton of reasons. (Hell I've had some stressful situations in life that made me feel like my chest was about to explode, and it's nothing compared to this.)
Using that argument is essentially using semantics to punish the guy who was dying for not saying "I am struggling to breathe due to a myriad of factors, chief of which is this fricking grown man kneeling on my back and neck."
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:12 pm to Smeg
quote:And they’re trained to do it so that a person doesn’t die. They’re also trained to assist someone who is dying.
A restraint technique that police are trained to do
So I doubt they’re trained to continue to use the technique after a person is unconscious, after being told to check his pulse because he might be dying, after they had already called an ambulance because he might be dying, and after the ambulance arrived, while not once even checking to see if he was dying, let alone assist him.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:12 pm to blueboy
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This is how Chauvin will be acquitted
He was clearly in distress and they did nothing. Just because it wasn't strangulation doesn't mean the cop didn't contribute to his death.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:14 pm to buckeye_vol
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Well you could say he did what he was taught to do if you ignore that he was immediately fired then charged with murder, neither of which would happen if he merely did what he was taught to do.
You don't think rioting had anything to do with reasons for those actions?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:14 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:
damn, that sounds horrible man. I'm sorry.
Thanks.
When they put her in the ambulance I remember thinking she would be fine because "if she couldn't breathe, she wouldn't be able to yell like that".
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:14 pm to TigerCruise
Big fact if true.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:15 pm to blueboy
quote:If Chauvin is acquitted, I might join with them. That was a murder.
This is how Chauvin will be acquitted, which will spark more riots
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:16 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:And we have the video of people begging him to stop and check on Floyd, but he couldn’t bother to do that, but he was ok with pulling his mace out and threatening the bystanders instead.
Officer Kneelonneck continued kneeling for 2 1/2 minutes AFTER his partner claims to have told him Floyd had no pulse
I just don’t see how people can ignore all of that which is on a video for anyone to see.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:16 pm to Caplewood
If the report is to be believed, he was resisting after he stated he was claustrophobic. Not only that, one of the other officers apparently retained his analytic skills to the degree that he suggested moving Floyd. Doesn’t seem like restraining affected his ability to think. Chauvin may be a retard though, so who knows.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:16 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
quote:
Doctor, can you agree that the force applied to the back of his neck was a contributing factor in the death of George Floyd?
It goes both ways. The sad part is that you're arguing for the side of the cop.
even known serial killers are allowed defense representation
and the onus is on the prosecution to prove it was the cop's actions alone that caused the man's death
the ME's report gives the officer a HUGE out now
I could see the cop taking a plea bargain that limits his amount of prison time to almost nothing
but if it goes to trial... getting a conviction would have to seem unlikely at this point as the heart issues would play heavy on a jury
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:16 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
quote:
It goes both ways. The sad part is that you're arguing for the side of the cop.
The cop is the one that will be on trial and so by which the burden of proof is such that it needs to be proven beyond all doubt that what the cop did contributed to the death.
We have due process for a reason. That should not be discarded for any reason. It is better that 10 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man go to prison.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:16 pm to TigerCruise
So he died from a blood choke and not an air choke. everyone knew that.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:18 pm to Smeg
quote:. . . for 8 mins and 46 seconds. For >2 1/2 minutes after being told the victim has no pulse?
A restraint technique that police are trained to do
Not a chance.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:18 pm to notsince98
quote:Well he was fired immediately before the rioting, and that’s almost more telling than the murder charges since firing an officer in a union is not something that happens quickly at all.
You don't think rioting had anything to do with reasons for those actions?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 4:19 pm to LSUGrrrl
quote:
Then why did they charge the cop? Thought they got the evidence they needed to charge him? Wouldn’t the COD and ME report be crucial evidence to determine charges?
He is also being charged with manslaughter. Which, at least the charge, is supported in the last statement of the report
quote:
Police are trained that this type of restraint with a subject in a prone position is inherently dangerous.
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