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re: How is Russia losing this war?
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:46 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:46 am to Pettifogger
Russians don't have substantial air assets in the war
They have vulnerable tanks and Tucker-Candace Owens
That's a quagmire in the making
They have vulnerable tanks and Tucker-Candace Owens
That's a quagmire in the making
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Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:48 am to lowspark12
This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 11:40 am
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:49 am to Statestreet
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Because they aren’t really trying
Says the butthurt Putin Youth. They're just not committing enough war crimes.
The Putin Youth are excitedly holding their breath waiting for a chem/bio attack
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:49 am to TBoy
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Sure, Russia can bomb apartment buildings and kill people. It can kidnap mayors of small towns and kill them. But can it do anything that resembles “winning?” It sure doesn’t look like it.
Congress should focus less on Ukraine and getting some of you propagated morons to have your head surgically removed from your arse.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:50 am to Shuga4689
With this war you have to define winning and losing. Ultimately the Russians will overtake Ukraine it is too much of a numbers advantage. The Russians severely miscalculated this invasion though. Just my thoughts is that they were not prepared for an actual resistance, they thought that Ukraine would just roll over. They also did not plan this invasion strategically with nothing precise or calculated. The Russian forces have shown to be unprepared, incompetent, and not trained well while using mostly dogshit equipment. So I guess you can say that the Russians will win in a sense when they take the country. The major problem that they face is economic. This is costing them one billion a day while the Russian economy is tanking and their currency is worth nothing. Their aces in the hole are they have oil and nukes. So while they can leverage their nuclear weapons to keep NATO from getting involved and the can find a buyer for their oil it is still a problem for them if the Ukrainian people mount an insurgency. Occupation is different from invasion and the longer this goes the more pressure Putin is under. My analysis is they will win short term ,but will likely lose in the long run.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:53 am to TigerIron
Realistic people know that Russia could devastate Ukraine quickly. But I think it's a very realistic take that Russia is showing it can't win the war in the manner and at the rate it intended, which is going to leave it in a mess.
Assuming the oft-reported Russian beliefs about Ukranian willingness to fight are close to accurate, Russia was screwed in the long term once that resistance materialized, regardless of if/when the cities fall.
I suspect said resistance will wane over time, but I highly, highly doubt the cost of that is what Russia anticipated or is prepared to bear.
Assuming the oft-reported Russian beliefs about Ukranian willingness to fight are close to accurate, Russia was screwed in the long term once that resistance materialized, regardless of if/when the cities fall.
I suspect said resistance will wane over time, but I highly, highly doubt the cost of that is what Russia anticipated or is prepared to bear.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:55 am to OchoDedos
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The Putin Youth are excitedly holding their breath waiting for a chem/bio attack
This board does love a strongman daddy figure
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:01 am to AU86
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Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:04 am to Pettifogger
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This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 11:39 am
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:04 am to lowspark12
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Armies that “win” typically don’t withdraw… in fact, most would call that failure. For Russia to withdraw, one of two things has to happen… and negotiated peace with the current Ukrainian regime… Russia removes current regime and replaces with a pro-russian regime that is viewed by Ukrainians are legitimate. .
Russia’s goal was not to take over Ukraine and never leave. They had a plan, they invaded, and will leave once that goal is accomplished. Ukraine will agree to the terms Russia sets and that will be a win for Russia.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:09 am to FlexDawg
Here only 2 options. Or Russia are not so strong, or Ukraine military are really strong.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:13 am to SWCBonfire
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It worked previously
What worked and where?
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Next plan is to grind their opponents in a meat grinder if they don't submit.
They don't have the time,money or infrastructure to do this especially without the Chinese
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That's the kind of potential the Russians have, because they've displayed it over and over. You're viewing occupation with a western democracy mindset instead of a dictatorial one.
I'm viewing it in terms of resources,manpower and willpower.
None are on the side of the Russians even with Putin's authoritarian dictates.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:20 am to Pettifogger
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My apologies to the Putin fan boi who got his feelings hurt
If you meant this for me you should edit it to say “My apologies to the guy that hates to see innocent people killed because the Media was irresponsible in their reporting “.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:24 am to TimeOutdoors
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If you meant this for me you should edit it to say “My apologies to the guy that hates to see innocent people killed because the Media was irresponsible in their reporting “.
I have no idea if it was you who was miffed about putting responsibility on Putin for actions Putin is taking
If that's you, so be it
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:27 am to Pettifogger
Yeah, I guess it’s easy for people like you to not care about people dying thousands of miles away.
Poke the tiger and then blame the tiger I guess?
Poke the tiger and then blame the tiger I guess?
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 10:31 am
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:29 am to RD Dawg
The M.O. of Russia:
1. Foment rebellion by ethnic Russians in a region of a former USSR member state;
2. Intervene militarily in response to "genocide" occurring against said ethnic Russians;
3. Sue for peace and independence for breakaway province;
4. Breakaway province annexed by Russia.
How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. Russians starved out millions of people, they don't care what intermediate hardships they impose, they view them as temporary until Europe is forced to trade with Russia again.
This was the plan in Chechnya, South Ossetia and Abkhazia in Georgia, Crimea, and now Donetsk and Luhansk.
1. Foment rebellion by ethnic Russians in a region of a former USSR member state;
2. Intervene militarily in response to "genocide" occurring against said ethnic Russians;
3. Sue for peace and independence for breakaway province;
4. Breakaway province annexed by Russia.
How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. Russians starved out millions of people, they don't care what intermediate hardships they impose, they view them as temporary until Europe is forced to trade with Russia again.
This was the plan in Chechnya, South Ossetia and Abkhazia in Georgia, Crimea, and now Donetsk and Luhansk.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 10:36 am
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:30 am to TigerIron
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The US withdrew after WWI. Did we lose?
There was no occupied territory to withdraw from. The flip side is German armies withdrew from occupied territory in Belgium and France… and they most certainly lost.
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Prussia withdrew after the Franco-Prussian War. Did they lose?
Prussia occupied France for months… and only left once a firm gov was in place that posed no threat to Germany. They also occupied Alsace and Luraine and never gave them back (until 1918).
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England withdrew after the Napoleonic Wars. Did they lose?
Again, the coalition armies didn’t withdraw from France for months and only after the a firm gov was in place that was friendly to the victors (restored bourbons).
My point still stands…. For Russia to withdraw… 1 of 2 things has to happen… negotiated treaty with current Ukrainian regime… or installation of pro-Russian gov in Kyiv that has legit power.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:35 am to FlexDawg
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Russia’s goal was not to take over Ukraine and never leave. They had a plan, they invaded, and will leave once that goal is accomplished. Ukraine will agree to the terms Russia sets and that will be a win for Russia.
People can downvote what I said above, but they can’t say anything that proves otherwise. This will happen and it doesn’t matter if you like it or not.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 11:14 am to GumboPot
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Not only is Russia methodically crushing Ukraine militarily they are the fulcrum point for BRICS and now Saudis to decouple form the dollar which is a BIG frickING DEAL. And in terms of the latter the Biden admin played right into Putin's hands.
It’s painfully obvious that our deep state players have watched the “Art of War” starring Wesley Snipes, as opposed to reading the fricking 3 thousand year old manual by Sun Yzu. The very notion that the Saudi’s & the UAE are seriously contemplating destroying the USD by switching to the Yuan had better have caught your attention. Every time Barry and the gang try to call the Fahd residence…
Posted on 3/16/22 at 11:32 am to SWCBonfire
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How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. Russians starved out millions of people, they don't care what intermediate hardships they impose
Do what ?They certanly care about thé hardships they're coing To have To endure when their bankibg system and stock market collapse along with their crédit...none of which happened with thèse other excursions and were over with relativly quick.
Ukraine isnt remotely similar
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