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re: I don't support regime change in Venezuela
Posted on 11/30/25 at 9:59 am to EphesianArmor
Posted on 11/30/25 at 9:59 am to EphesianArmor
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Posted on 11/30/25 at 9:59 am to RollTide1987
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What do you think Venezuela will be?
Another global-controlled corporate-vassal state where natural resources and assets are pirated.
London-Brussels-Davos HATE free and independent nation-states.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 10:00 am to TulsaSooner78
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Thank you for your service, but those were like an FBS team playing an HBCU team.
You should coexist with roaches in your house.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 10:16 am to RollTide1987
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What do you think Venezuela will be?
Population of Grenada: 115K on a small island.
Population of Panama: 4.5 million in a tiny country.
Population of Venezuela: 31 million.
Sure, we will defeat them easily. But it is the occupation that will drain our resources. Do we want to take on responsibility for supporting 31 million more people and restoring their economy? The taxpayers are tired of that shite.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 10:26 am to TulsaSooner78
quote:Yeah, I’m not sure what he thinks the plan is there. We’re just going to run in, knock everything over, leave immediately, and somehow avoid creating a power vacuum sitting on top of the largest oil reserves on the planet?
Population of Grenada: 115K on a small island.
Population of Panama: 4.5 million in a tiny country.
Population of Venezuela: 31 million.
Sure, we will defeat them easily. But it is the occupation that will drain our resources. Do we want to take on responsibility for supporting 31 million more people and restoring their economy? The taxpayers are tired of that shite.
The Panama operation has more in common with spring break in Panama City than with occupying Venezuela. Not to mention we already had a large permanent presence in Panama.
The real version is taking over a huge, jungled country of 31 million people with a direct land route to our own border. That’s not a drive-through operation. That’s a potential decades-long sinkhole.
This post was edited on 11/30/25 at 10:30 am
Posted on 11/30/25 at 10:30 am to rtr72
Venezuela isn’t the biggest problem. It’s just convenient for Trump.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 10:35 am to northshorebamaman
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Yeah, I’m not sure what he thinks the plan is there. We’re just going to run in, knock everything over, leave immediately, and somehow avoid creating a power vacuum sitting on top of the largest oil reserves on the planet?
The Panama operation has more in common with spring break in Panama City than with occupying Venezuela. Not to mention we already had a large permanent presence in Panama.
The real version is taking over a huge, jungled country of 31 million people with a direct land route to our own border. That’s not a drive-through operation. That’s a potential decades-long sinkhole.
Excellent post!
I voted for Trump 3 times, so I have very little room to complain.
I support the majority of the actions he's taken.
But he promised "no new wars", so it pisses me off to see us going down this road when I think there are better ways of dealing with the situation.
I don't want to see American soldiers losing their lives (I have 3 younger members of my family on active duty) and I don't want our economy to have to suffer further from having to provide more aid to foreign countries.
And, I still think a lot of this is a ruse to transfer more wealth from the middle class to the global elite.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 10:37 am to TulsaSooner78
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But he promised "no new wars", so it pisses me off to see us going down this road when I think there are better ways of dealing with the situation.
I don't want to see American soldiers losing their lives (I have 3 younger members of my family on active duty) and I don't want our economy to have to suffer further from having to provide more aid to foreign countries.
I'm on board with you guys, but we haven't invaded yet.
Reagan won the cold war with the threat of war, without actually going to war.
Want to wait and see how this goes.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 10:38 am to EphesianArmor
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London-Brussels-Davos HATE free and independent nation-states.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 10:41 am to TulsaSooner78
quote:Yeah, if you think this proposed operation has nothing to do with the fact they have the largest proven oil reserves in the world... well, Trump's got a "narco war" to sell you in Venezuela.
And, I still think a lot of this is a ruse to transfer more wealth from the middle class to the global elite.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 11:00 am to goldennugget
It has never been " your problem" so shut the hell up.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 11:06 am to TulsaSooner78
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But it is the occupation that will drain our resources.
You are assuming that occupation is a prerequisite for regime change. It is not. There is already an opposition government, waiting in the wings, ready to take over when Maduro flies the coop. Its leader just won the Nobel Peace Prize several weeks ago.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 11:15 am to RollTide1987
quote:And? So did Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Haiti. Every single one fell apart the second we stopped propping them up.
There is already an opposition government, waiting in the wings, ready to take over when Maduro flies the coop.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 11:39 am to northshorebamaman
We don't need the oil
We already have way too much oil.
Venesuelan incompetence by turning their oil industry into a nepotistic jobs rewards program has only helped Us oil producers with higher prices.
If you wanted cheaper oil prices for consumer, you would actually want someone competent running the venezuelan oil industry.
Im pretty sure we just don't want the chinese to have it.
We already have way too much oil.
Venesuelan incompetence by turning their oil industry into a nepotistic jobs rewards program has only helped Us oil producers with higher prices.
If you wanted cheaper oil prices for consumer, you would actually want someone competent running the venezuelan oil industry.
Im pretty sure we just don't want the chinese to have it.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 11:43 am to CastleBravo
quote:Me too. As I said, if you think the fact that Venezuela is sitting on top of massive oil reserves has nothing to do with it you're fooling yourself.
Im pretty sure we just don't want the chinese to have it.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 11:51 am to goldennugget
Maduro has been, in fact, indicted in the SDNY with a bounty on his head.
One way or the other, there will be regime change in Venezuela.
He will flee, we will capture him, our [unlikely] land strikes will cause the opposition to coup him (we already recognize them as legit), he will get nabbed by USA trying to flee by boat/air and stand trial.
In the meantime, not one judge, citing the indictment has ordered Trump produce him. They have, however, challenged both the appointment of TdA as a terrorist organization and the use of the AEA, Boasberg wants to hold Trump in contempt (an unconditional act itself), and bring back TdA allies of an indicted human and drug trafficker.
In the meantime the International Criminal Court continues to put on hold it's investigation into Maduro to lend a helping hand to the leftists here in the US by not legitimizing the use of Terrorism designation, AEA, or the boat strikes.
One way or the other, there will be regime change in Venezuela.
He will flee, we will capture him, our [unlikely] land strikes will cause the opposition to coup him (we already recognize them as legit), he will get nabbed by USA trying to flee by boat/air and stand trial.
In the meantime, not one judge, citing the indictment has ordered Trump produce him. They have, however, challenged both the appointment of TdA as a terrorist organization and the use of the AEA, Boasberg wants to hold Trump in contempt (an unconditional act itself), and bring back TdA allies of an indicted human and drug trafficker.
In the meantime the International Criminal Court continues to put on hold it's investigation into Maduro to lend a helping hand to the leftists here in the US by not legitimizing the use of Terrorism designation, AEA, or the boat strikes.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 12:20 pm to northshorebamaman
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Yeah, if you think this proposed operation has nothing to do with the fact they have the largest proven oil reserves in the world... well, Trump's got a "narco war" to sell you in Venezuela.
That too. I noted that in one of my earlier posts.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 12:24 pm to RollTide1987
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You are assuming that occupation is a prerequisite for regime change. It is not. There is already an opposition government, waiting in the wings, ready to take over when Maduro flies the coop. Its leader just won the Nobel Peace Prize several weeks ago.
Maduro is not "flying the coop" unless we invade.
Once you invade, you are on the hook to occupy, otherwise you just wasted your time.
One more time - Venezuela is not Panama or Grenada. Think Afghanistan and Iraq.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 12:33 pm to TulsaSooner78
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One more time - Venezuela is not Panama or Grenada. Think Afghanistan and Iraq.
That's simply not true. Venezuela whole military can be wiped out by 1 Carrier Group. The citizens of Venezuela would welcome madoro being taken out.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 12:43 pm to SOSFAN
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The citizens of Venezuela would welcome madoro being taken out.
I talk to a couple regularly, online. They were both pro USA, now they are very anti Trump. I wouldnt say theyve moved to the left, they just took it at our word that we were "anti war" and now more uncertainty.
It doesnt matter how they feel about Maduro, its not our place to decide they need a "regime change."
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