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re: I want to hear from the Agnostics. What will the secular world eventually evolve into?
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:04 am to Rex Feral
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:04 am to Rex Feral
quote:How many people have been killed in the name of God? Responding that more have been killed due to Atheism in no way justifies the answer.
That's weak sauce, dude. Atheism has even more atrocities committed in its name. Don't throw rocks in a glass house.
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Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:06 am to RiverCityTider
When there is no moral compass rooted in JudeoCrhistian beliefs then why will society have to follow those old norms? I see the breakdown of traditional two person marriage and the ability to have sex with whomever, however old. Yeah, hedonism.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:08 am to Revelator
quote:Not sure how these tendencies fit into an “earthly hierarchy.”
So you think women aren’t innately gifted to be better caregivers for children than men? Do you doubt men are more physically gifted and more suited to be protectors?
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:09 am to Brooklyntiger80
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It’s called empathy, treat others as you’d like to be treated.
Why is that a superior value system? Because you said so?
This post was edited on 3/11/21 at 8:11 am
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:09 am to au4you
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Responding that more have been killed due to Atheism in no way justifies the answer.
It does make the argument that religion drives violence a lot weaker, though. Humanity drives violence. Godless and otherwise.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:10 am to UGATiger26
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Why is that a superior value system?
He is left staring at his vestigial tail of morality that Judeo-Christian mores have given him and isn’t even aware how it got there.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:11 am to the808bass
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I've been plugging this episode of the podcast - Jordan Peterson has a great podcast on this that’s dated October of last year in the podcast catalogue. I think it has Solzhenitsyn in the title. Maybe Nietzsche, too.
I was about to mention JP in answer to his question lol.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:15 am to the808bass
The morals existed and were there before Christianity, so yeah but a blip. Even more so because Christianity didn't even exist for 2/3rds of that recorded history. Also, The sphere of influence that Jude-Christianity philosophy had was a pretty small bubble, relative to the rest of the world, until the last millenia.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:16 am to RiverCityTider
It doesn’t matter. If humanly doesn’t explore & colonize new planets it’ll all end up a moot point .
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:17 am to SEC. 593
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The morals existed and were there before Christianity,
A learned Christian would reply that, yes of course they did. Christianity didn't give birth to morals. And it doesn't claim to have given birth to morals.
Saying morals come from Christianity is like saying a tree comes from wood.
This post was edited on 3/11/21 at 8:18 am
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:17 am to the808bass
ETHICS... This goes back to pre christianity. Read Plato and Aristotle and their belief in ethics molding society.
Of course if we go back to the Greeks and romans, they thought buggering little boys was ethical, so take it with a grain of salt
Of course if we go back to the Greeks and romans, they thought buggering little boys was ethical, so take it with a grain of salt
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:17 am to the808bass
quote:Uh, how? We have thousands of years of history that tells us religion, including Christianity, has lead to violence, death, and enslavement.
It does make the argument that religion drives violence a lot weaker, though. Humanity drives violence. Godless and otherwise
I get it. You’re a Christian. You want to reinforce your beliefs. But you can’t ignore the tragedies committed by “God’s will.”
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:18 am to RiverCityTider
Most of our Founding Fathers, such as Washington, Jefferson, and Madison for starters, were agnostics for the most part. However, they all knew that if God is taken away from The People we will evolve into a truly barbaric and evil society. Notice how the evil elites are trying to grind underfoot the deeds and memory of these truly great men, indeed, the greatest of men.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:19 am to RiverCityTider
South Park already covered this:
This post was edited on 3/11/21 at 8:22 am
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:19 am to Revelator
quote:Yes.
I’m sure you are aware that religion and Christianity are too separate things. Even though the two words are sometimes used synonymously, they shouldn’t.
I was responding to a specific comment by a specific poster containing a reference to "religion."
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:20 am to AURaptor
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I t doesn’t matter. If humanly doesn’t explore & colonize new planets it’ll all end up a moot point .
What makes you say this? Historically,
as resources diminished or lands became depleted, man would either find different avenues to survive, or certain civilizations perished. Why don’t you think this pattern would continue?
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:20 am to au4you
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Uh, how? We have thousands of years of history that tells us religion, including Christianity, has lead to violence, death, and enslavement.
And we have plenty of other examples that tell us that humans don't need religion to lead to violence, death, and enslavement.
That was his point.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:23 am to the808bass
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the808bass
Typical behavior of someone who thinks that their disbelief gives them some intellectualsuperiority over the unwashed masses of religious zealots.
This false equivalency of being educated and evolved beyond religion making you smarter than those who practice faith is pure hogwash. I don't think anyone is fooled into thinking that you're somehow brilliant. We all follow some sort of dogma or code, religious or not...
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:24 am to UGATiger26
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Why is that a superior value system? Because you said so?
While one might not be able to argue why one value system is objectively better than another without asserting that an unseen super natural force makes their moral system better, people do have to live in a society that those moral systems create.
Moral systems that lead to a dysfunctional society won't be appealing in the long run because most people don't like living in a dysfunctional society.
It's a bit like crap and ice cream. Even though taste is entirely subjective we don't have to worry about many people choosing crap over ice cream.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:24 am to RiverCityTider
it is the responsibility of one generation to pass the tradition on to the next generation. We first saw the fading of religion in Europe post WWII. even more so in the east block nations where Communism suppressed the efforts of religion.
I am a christian, but i do not want to see the government force christian values on the nation. But i do want to see our elected leaders espouse christian values.
To me, as a christian, we are called to lead by example, to be a "light unto the world". Christianity searches out new believers not by force but by them wanting the "happiness" that they see Christians have.
but the nation as whole is trending away from Christianity, and religion as a whole. Our founding fathers pushed for separation of church and state, but at the same time founded the country on christian values and proclaimed the nation on behalf of God.
True followers of Christ should not be judgmental, should not espouse hate, but should show forgiveness instead. Too many Christians today are hypocritical in these aspects, and that only works to push non-believers away from the church.
and the more the nation turns it's back on Christianity, the farther the nation will be from His blessings.
I am a christian, but i do not want to see the government force christian values on the nation. But i do want to see our elected leaders espouse christian values.
To me, as a christian, we are called to lead by example, to be a "light unto the world". Christianity searches out new believers not by force but by them wanting the "happiness" that they see Christians have.
but the nation as whole is trending away from Christianity, and religion as a whole. Our founding fathers pushed for separation of church and state, but at the same time founded the country on christian values and proclaimed the nation on behalf of God.
True followers of Christ should not be judgmental, should not espouse hate, but should show forgiveness instead. Too many Christians today are hypocritical in these aspects, and that only works to push non-believers away from the church.
and the more the nation turns it's back on Christianity, the farther the nation will be from His blessings.
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