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re: If homosexuals are “born that way”
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:02 am to Turbeauxdog
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:02 am to Turbeauxdog
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My biggest problem is we don't try to help people with it or research ways in which we can.
How about all the divorced folks who remarried? Awful lot of people gearing up to be cast into the fire, amirite?
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Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:38 am to Giantkiller
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How about all the divorced folks who remarried? Awful lot of people gearing up to be cast into the fire, amirite?
I can't even track this odd tangent blathering or understand what it has to do with my comment.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:41 am to BeepNode
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It's likely that there is a genetic component but the phenotype is modulated by hormonal activity in the womb...
...It could be something the mother unknowingly does to their children while in the womb, or just something that is passed through the X chromosome - or both.
The above contributing factors are very plausible cause/effect of onset homosexuality.
Additionally, current social-re-engineering / anti-God agenda and climate of revolution and hijacking of our natural construct also strongly encourages ANY tendency or minor leaning to feed homosexual urges.
The weak, impressionable, confused, lonely, the sexually abused are especially susceptible to what has rapidly been the result of...psychological MANIPULATION. (and also suddenly, the result of blatant agenda of coercion and recruitment)
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:41 am to boogiewoogie1978
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I know a set of identical twins. One is gay and one isn't. Explain that one.
I can't but it doesn't rule anything predetermined out. I don't think how and why hormones are delivered and how genes/phenotypes are activated are fully understood. There's identical twins that are born with different physical afflictions, like muscular dystrophy and things like that.
Most other animals are just the survival of the fittest , where as humans are much more complex socially and there's value in having alternative types that can be delegated specific roles in order to make the group stronger overall.
There's a lot of gay Greek dudes for some reason. They had gay warriors, etc. It's not like some new phenomenon that people created. Trans stuff, on the other hand..
This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 10:45 am
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:44 am to BeepNode
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There's a lot of gay Greek dudes for some reason. They had gay warriors, etc.
Gay or bi?
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:45 am to boogiewoogie1978
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I know a set of identical twins. One is gay and one isn't. Explain that one.
Environmental (associations), prone to subversive influence and moments of mental/spiritual weakness, self-deification (a large component of homosexuality and atheism.)
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:48 am to GooseSix
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Mental Disorder
You are welcome.
A lot of mental disorders are genetic.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:49 am to PrattvilleTiger
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By your logic, straight people having sex outside of marriage are also demonically possessed.
If youre going by the Bible, it mentions sex outside of marriage and adultery (for heterosexuals) A LOT more than homosexuality. Throughout the Bible.
Did you note the list 5 factors I submitted?
Man and woman -- and their physical attraction to one another is NORMAL and NATURAL.
Adultery is one of the "sins" that God is said to "HATE." (proceed with caution if you value your Eternal Soul)
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I'm willing to bet not a single person commenting in this thread was a virgin on their wedding night!
Which is totally irrelevant to the context and conversation at hand.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:56 am to boogiewoogie1978
quote:I am not aware of any serious researcher who contends that there is a "gay gene" that toggles to either (Gay ON) or (Gay OFF) for a given individual. The genetic markers in question seem to give rise to a PREDISPOSITION to homosexual behavior. Depending upon any number of environmental factors (both in utero and post-natal), an individual may (or may not) follow that predisposition. For twins, we have further reduced the variables by removing different uterine environments.
I know a set of identical twins. One is gay and one isn't. Explain that one.
Look at the studies on twins separated at birth. There is NOT a 100% correlation for developing into a gay adult (not 100% genetic), but a man separated at birth from a gay twin is something like 3x more likely to be gay than a random sample from the population (indicating a genetic predisposition).
Further, studies on ALL twins (both identical and fraternal) provides interesting data:
quote:Simplified, fraternal twins (same uterine environment, but different genetics) were more-likely than "normal" to both be gay, but identical twins (same uterine environment, same genetics) were far MORE likely to both be gay.
Twin pairs in which at least one twin is homosexual were solicited through announcements in the gay press and personal referrals from 1980 to the present. An 18-page questionnaire on the "sexuality of twins" was filled out by one or both twins. Thirty-eight pairs of monozygotic twins (34 male pairs and 4 female pairs) were found to have a concordance rate of 65.8% for homosexual orientation. Twenty-three pairs of dizygotic twins were found to have a concordance rate of 30.4% for homosexual orientation. In addition, three sets of triplets were obtained. Two sets contained a pair of monozygotic twins concordant for sexual orientation with the third triplet dizygotic and discordant for homosexual orientation. A third triplet set was monozygotic with all three concordant for homosexual orientation. These findings are interpreted as supporting the argument for a biological basis in sexual orientation. Source
Or it could be ... DEMONS.
This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 11:35 am
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:57 am to Robin Masters
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Then it’s a genetic trait. And if it’s a genetic trait wouldn’t have evolution made that characteristic “extinct” since homosexuals would obviously be procreating less prolifically than heterosexuals?
Not really how recessive traits work.
But it’s probably a variety of factors.
Gays have existed throughout history throughout various cultures.
This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 10:58 am
Posted on 2/17/23 at 10:59 am to Earnest_P
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Our particular society has gone so far as to laud this lifestyle to the extent that anyone who is ambiguous at all and who isn’t part of a more traditional subset is encouraged/pushed into homosexual choices.
+1
In our past (sane) society, homosexual tendencies were highly discouraged, even at a young age when hormones were hypersonic in any case.
Suddenly, the subversive elements of society managed to frame "gay" as normal and even "virtuous" in coercing & advancing their perverse new world social re-engineering AND soul-damning in one fall swoop.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:01 am to Earnest_P
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So I don’t think people are “born gay”, born straight, or anything else, but I do think it’s undeniable that some people have inborn predispositions that later manifest as being further toward same sex attraction on the spectrum of attraction. That’s where cultural norms, life experience, trauma, etc come into play and cause or allow some people to make the unhealthy choice of adopting (and sticking with, after growing up) a lifestyle that acts as sort of a funnel which ends with them being fixedly “gay”.
There are gays in countries where they literally throw them off buildings if they find out.
Homosexuals existing isn’t cultural just how we treat them.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:02 am to shinerfan
quote:In the context of Classical Greek culture, the question is meaningless because the idea of a "pure" homosexual is basically a modern construct.
There's a lot of gay Greek dudes for some reason. They had gay warriors, etc.quote:
Gay or bi?
Upper class Greek men in many poleis were EXPECTED to have a wife and family, but were ALSO expected to have a male companion.
It is not OUR system, but it WAS their system.
Now, your question and the responses to it DO lead to an interesting follow-up. If that system were to remain in place long-enough, WOULD it lead to more males with a predisposition to homosexual behavior?
If males with the genetic marker in question are NOT breeding for the most part (as in our culture), that marker is being passed to the next generation ONLY by the sisters of those men. But if those men are marrying and having children DESPITE a predisposition to prefer male companionship, the marker is being passed to the next generation TWICE as often.
Did the erastes system CREATE Greg Louganis?
Interesting question.
This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 11:28 am
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:04 am to shinerfan
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There's a lot of gay Greek dudes for some reason. They had gay warriors, etc.
Gay or bi?
I dunno. Ask Greg Louganis, George Michael, David Sedaris, Milo Yiannopolis, and that Everclear guy.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:05 am to Liberator
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Suddenly, the subversive elements of society managed to frame "gay" as norma
I don't know why anyone cares about gay in any political sense.
I view trannyism very differently though. Particularly since we're pushing this fricking DEI shite.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:07 am to Turbeauxdog
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But you're [Hank] always bending over backward to defend nonsense.
Backward...forward...upside down -- contorting 360 degrees of "whatever is necessary" motion in order to staunchly accommodate and er..."defend" *cough* "nonsense"
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't know why anyone cares about gay in any political sense.
Politically, Militantly Gay = Rebellion against the Social/Religious status quo
It's War.
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I view trannyism very differently though. Particularly since we're pushing this fricking DEI shite.
Part of the whole but yes, this is a different arena of the War (and in many ways far more insidious and outright evil. Had you heard about Lia Thomas being exposed?)
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:14 am to PeleofAnalytics
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A lot of mental disorders are genetic.
As well as spiritual. Corrolation?
Presumably, many are not familiar with demonic spirit possession (which manifests itself to various degrees and extent.)
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:15 am to Liberator
quote:This from a poster who is blaming fricking ... DEMONS ... for homosexuality.quote:Backward...forward...upside down -- contorting 360 degrees of "whatever is necessary" motion in order to staunchly accommodate and er..."defend" *cough* "nonsense"
But you're [Hank] always bending over backward to defend nonsense.
The same poster, incidentally, who LITERALLY believes that the Earth is flat.
This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 11:27 am
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:18 am to Liberator
This is the bullshite that should piss you off, not gay dudes.
I have no idea why grown arse men keep pushing this on children, some people need arse whippings.
I have no idea why grown arse men keep pushing this on children, some people need arse whippings.
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