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re: Interesting tweet about the true support for Ron DeSantis
Posted on 8/8/23 at 7:33 am to ChumLeeVol
Posted on 8/8/23 at 7:33 am to ChumLeeVol
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Oh really?
Yes, many times. THe fact remains, Donald Trump LOST the election and Biden IS the president. If he weren't the president, he wouldn't be in the oval office. Regardless of fraud or not. I'm sorry you onlytrumpfans are so soft and get your feelings hurt so easily when facts are spoken.
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Posted on 8/8/23 at 7:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I remember the days when Trumpers would crow about their low poll numbers claiming they were the silent majority. Good times.
and they were right in 2016.
And they showed up massively in 2020.
Trump underpolling makes a ton of sense. People are under pressure to not admit they support trump.
Desantis being down by 30-40 is meaningful…at least for now.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 7:34 am to moneyg
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and they were right in 2016.
Then you would think these dweebs would think twice before crowing about polls, wouldn't you?
Posted on 8/8/23 at 7:35 am to moneyg
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and they were right in 2016.
And they showed up massively in 2020.
Trump underpolling makes a ton of sense. People are under pressure to not admit they support trump.
Desantis being down by 30-40 is meaningful…at least for now.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 7:39 am to Bunk Moreland
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I don’t think it was a good-run election," DeSantis said. "But I also think Republicans didn’t fight back. You’ve got to fight back when that is happening."
So he said this while running as a Republican?
I haven’t paid attention to much Ron, probably won’t post much more attention either with statements like that.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 7:42 am to Meauxjeaux
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So he said this while running as a Republican?
Yes. He's addressing the Republicans in power at the time, Patriots/MAGA. They were complete cucks during Covid and gave the DEMs the presidency.
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I haven’t paid attention to much Ron, probably won’t post much more attention either with statements like that.
Because pointing out Trump being a limp-wristed cuck hurts too much?
Posted on 8/8/23 at 7:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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I wonder what Patriots really have in the magazine other than whataboutism and election fraud claims.
“It’s going to be different this time” is the only other ammo
Posted on 8/8/23 at 7:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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wonder what Patriots really have in the magazine other than whataboutism and election fraud claims.
I wonder why people like you want Buden so bad.
Saying buden is corrupt is not whataboutism. He’s the current president. Your little trump rants are whataboutism.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 7:49 am to Damone
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It’s going to be different this time” is the only other ammo
Is that what you said when you voted the career politician?
Posted on 8/8/23 at 7:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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I wonder what Patriots really have in the magazine other than whataboutism and election fraud claims.
2016 was the first time that the Right adopted postmodernism as a political tool. It was amusing to watch the Left be flummoxed by their own toolbox. But the long-term damage is incalculable.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 7:51 am to rebeloke
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corporate media
What corporate media is supporting Ron?
Posted on 8/8/23 at 7:54 am to Bunk Moreland
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but this seems reasonable.
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DeSantis also strongly dismissed theories that the election was stolen, saying they "did not prove to be true."
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I think what people in the media and elsewhere, they want to act like somehow this was just like the perfect election. ... I don’t think it was a good-run election," DeSantis said. "But I also think Republicans didn’t fight back. You’ve got to fight back when that is happening."
Fight back on what? I don’t understand the point of these comments. It was a poorly run election, and Republicans should fight back, but it didn’t effect 2020? What are the consequences?
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But here’s the issue that I think is important for Republican voters to think about: Why did we have all those mail votes? Because of Trump turned the government over to Fauci,"
But what was the effect, Mr. Desantis? Why should we care about mail votes?
Either call it out for exactly what it is, or don’t. The only way this comment is “reasonable” is if you don’t want to give any credence to the notion that Republicans were cheated in the last election, but want to preserve the right to complain about it.
Desantis was never going to have a chance without taking strong positions, this is another weak one. He missed a great opportunity to frame his election to be Trumps vindicator. Someone that could come clean up and pick up where he left off, which poor broken Trump is just no longer capable of.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 7:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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I wonder what Patriots really have in the magazine other than whataboutism and election fraud claims.
CCP as a threat to America is almost front and center. Who’s on the take!
Posted on 8/8/23 at 7:58 am to BugAC
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It's almost as if you're afraid of him
Hes in 3rd place
Maybe its ppl are just upset at how much of a disastrous campaign hes run and how awful his hires have been
Not a positive sign
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:04 am to Meauxjeaux
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I haven’t paid attention to much Ron, probably won’t post much more attention either with statements like that.
It sucks that people like you vote. Why would you deliberately want to be a low information voter?
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:10 am to PorkSammich
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What corporate media is supporting Ron?
Yeah, they don’t see the irony of that statement. Not only is the mainstream, establishment media against DeSantis, but also the “new” alternative conservative medium (National Pulse, CTH, plus an army of dudes with beards on Twitter claiming to be patriots).
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:15 am to dgnx6
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I wonder why people like you want Buden so bad.
My primary opposition to Trump is an opposition to Biden.
Trump cannot win.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:20 am to Meauxjeaux
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So he said this while running as a Republican?
Ron saying anything negative about Republicans = bad
Don saying anything negative about Republicans = good
something must be (D)ifferen(t).
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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There is a small kernel of truth or doubt that almost everyone agrees exists (the motte). Then there is a fantasy world of insanity that only the crazies believe exist (the bailey).
Either you have an acceptable system of controls to mitigate material error, or you don’t. You either care about election integrity (leading to a more acute view of materiality/acceptable error), or you don’t.
People can have differences of opinion. But election results are only as good as they are perceived to be. If a significant portion do not believe fraud risk is mitigated, they will not rely on results.
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They make the fantastical claims (Pillow man and Lin Wood stuff) and then when pushed, retreat back to the small kernel of truth (mail in voting was expanded) and use the fallacy to claim YOU are the crazy one for not believing the obvious truth.
OR, people simplify the notion and conflate unacceptable control environments to actual material errors, and then go to seek out the actual material errors. But this effects both sides of the argument - they either blindly accept that material errors are found, or they reject the evidence and conclude there was no fraud. Both sides here are operating in a fallacy, as they focus on the results (or lack of), rather than the control environment. The risk of material error due to fraud not being detected is the issue at hand, and it always was. That’s not retreating back to a position, it’s just the position that a significant portion of the country has been sitting on (ie trusting the system) while others that insist proof is necessary in this argument go on about.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 8:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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Like with almost all of their emotional melts, they use the motte and bailey fallacy.
There is a small kernel of truth or doubt that almost everyone agrees exists (the motte). Then there is a fantasy world of insanity that only the crazies believe exist (the bailey).
They make the fantastical claims (Pillow man and Lin Wood stuff) and then when pushed, retreat back to the small kernel of truth (mail in voting was expanded) and use the fallacy to claim YOU are the crazy one for not believing the obvious truth.
Almost every single "point" is the same pattern. They'll also attach a pejorative for easy identification (because their Idiocracy requires this b/c thinking is too hard for a large number of their population).
You see the same thing with their recent human trafficking "arguments". They are really arguing for Satanic Panic-level insanity and conspiracy theories, and when pushed, retreat back to the motte and ask how you could ever deny that human trafficking exists.
This post absolutely nails it.
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