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Posted on 1/7/20 at 2:19 am to Friedbrie
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But I cannot say that I agree with the latest foreign policy decisions because I don't know enough to make a judgement
Then you also must say that you can’t disagree either otherwise your argument is invalid
Posted on 1/7/20 at 3:13 am to idlewatcher
quote:Well, I kinda took his wording to mean that.quote:
But I cannot say that I agree with the latest foreign policy decisions because I don't know enough to make a judgement
Then you also must say that you can’t disagree either otherwise your argument is invalid
And in a way, I'd say you're wrong. We're talking military actions, not a trade agreement.
For a complex trade agreement, you can set your default position to "uncommitted" or whatever, until you understand it better.
For a military action against another country, it's fine (actually probably a good thing) to be opposed to it, until such time as you understand the reason and agree it's valid.
Of course, you should also then seek to inform yourself further on the issues involved, so you can make a more informed decision. Barring that, it's probably best not to comment.
For the record, I'm comfortable enough with what's occurred, to agree with the president's course. Our embassy was stormed by an angry mob agitated by someone, and Soleimani being in-country skulking around while that occurred fits with the narrative that he was involved with that. Even outside of that, he seemed to be involved with enough shite over the years to earn a violent retirement, if the opportunity arose.
The timing of it all seems extremely likely that the Iranians did instigate this, and we caught and popped their guy in retaliation.
If nothing further happens, the Iranians got off lightly, in my opinion. You don't attack embassies unless you are willing to face reprisals, even open warfare. I guarantee nobody in Europe or Asia is attempting to overrun the Russian embassy. It has nothing to do with ideology, and everything to do with defending sovereign rights. We're in postition to defend ourselves better than anyone in the world, but any other country would have the same justification.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 3:36 am to Friedbrie
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One who agrees with everything the President does and says, whoever he or she may be, or questions everything they do or say?
You should judge a leader on their actions. Being a discerning voter is crucial in a democratic republic, so there is nothing wrong with questioning your leaders. We fought an entire war with the Crown over the right to question the motives of our leaders.
The POTUS and every other politician works for us, not the other way around. That was the entire point of the Constitution.
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What I don't understand is this cult of personality many on this board have with Trump. It's like he can say or do no wrong. And anyone who disagrees with him, on anything, is wrong and an idiot.
This absolutism lacks any real critical thinking. It is that of a sheep, and is no better then those on the "other side" of the political spectrum.
Hammer meets nail. I believe the problem lies in that Trump is telling people what they want to hear and not necessarily what they need to hear depending on the situation. This is more of problem with politics in general and not him specifically.
What many posters may not realize is that they and their families are just as susceptible to negative economic conditions as anyone else. Most people never want to question their own perspective. Some solutions require a conservative approach. Others require a liberal approach.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 5:55 am to Friedbrie
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One who agrees with everything the President does and says, whoever he or she may be, or questions everything they do or say?
Not sure if serious
Posted on 1/7/20 at 6:34 am to Friedbrie
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It's like he can say or do no wrong. And anyone who disagrees with him, on anything, is wrong and an idiot.
With any amount of analysis, you would discover that most of us here are appalled by the exact OPPOSITE of what you are complaining about.
There is no shortage of people willing and eager to hold any POTUS accountable for what he has done.
What rustles our jimmies is the propaganda that infuses every moment of of the DEM party and their sycophants. Take your comment and reverse it to describe the REAL travesty of out time.
DEMs and their bullhorn media spewing hourly propaganda and the education and educational institutions constant harassment of any traditional American value, is the source of our angst.
WE are the decent people - wanting to live our lives unmolested, striving to leave our progeny the same opportunities and freedoms that we enjoyed, and striving to protect the greatest nation the world has ever seen to continue the proper protections of those values.
YOU - as surmised by your assertion that it is WE who suffer from a "cult of personality many on this board have with Trump" - are the ones who are throat deep in a CULT.
YOU take as a revealed truth that every action, word, or thought attributed to Trump is basic evil = even if you have to be the world's greatest hypocrite in doing so.
You have revealed you have no principle that you adhere to - other than "Trump bad" - that's it.
Regardless of what he does, he was wrong. YOU are the ignorant and malevolent CULT.
Most of us - me in particular - do NOT like Trumps persona - I hated him during the primary season. But I always ADMIRED his willingness to piss on "political correctness -
" And yes - I have the same feeling toward HRClinton that you have for Trump - and I voted for Trump purely and simply to keep that evil witch from the reins of power.
Now, I am a fervent admirer of Trump - not because of any personal trait (other than a dismissal of political correctness) - he is accomplishing EVERYTHING I want our nation to do. I may have a few reservations, but I will NEVER ally myself with those who are motivated by pure HATRED and LUST for POWER.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 7:30 am to Friedbrie
quote:The latter. But most people are sheep, looking for a shepherd to follow.
Is a true Patriot ... One who agrees with everything the President does and says, whoever he or she may be, or questions everything they do or say?
Posted on 1/7/20 at 8:39 am to volod
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Others require a liberal approach.
Name a problem that is better approached by what the DEMs have defined 'liberal" to be.
I would be proud to be a liberal as the word was once defined.
But now - 99% of the time when someone says 'liberal' they are referring to "social justice" which stemmed from 'political correctness."
Conservatism has pretty much retained its original meaning - especially as related to interpreting the constitution.
What the modern DEMs have devolved into is = 'anything Trump does, says, or thinks is a threat to world peace - even if we have to change our principles daily to define the sin."
There are no true patriots - with any retention of what 'patriot' means - within the leadership of the DEM party. All of them lust for total political power - that cannot be opposed or even questioned.
Name a DEM who you would consider a patriot.
To do so you'd have to identify someone who wants to start a revolution - like we did from England. There is not a shred of true patriotism relative to the nation our founders established extant within the power brokers of the DEM party. The last one died with Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
To be a patriot you have to deal with honor, truth, and morality.
Your DEM party wants a revolution because they could not win an election, and fear winning any in the future. They don't want to WIN anymore, they just want to take control. That is not patriotism. That is sedition.
This post was edited on 1/7/20 at 8:40 am
Posted on 1/7/20 at 8:55 am to Friedbrie
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This absolutism lacks any real critical thinking.
Phhbttt, He's GEOTUS!! Google "GEOTUS", you'll see.
In Trump we trust
Posted on 1/7/20 at 9:06 am to Friedbrie
A True Patriot believes in America and her citizens and believes in and defends the constitution.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:46 am to Friedbrie
I think that a "concern troll" is someone having fun on this fine message board by posting a message of concern that is insincere. The primary purpose of the insincere message is to have fun reading the reactions to the fake message.
For example, let's say I start a thread on the OT expressing my concern WRT the level of hot young females that throw themselves at me. I complain that I'm not getting enough sleep at night from having sex from 9pm to 2am with the three hot young women that I share my bed with. You see, my concern there would be fake because I wouldn't give a shite about losing sleep were I in that situation.
For example, let's say I start a thread on the OT expressing my concern WRT the level of hot young females that throw themselves at me. I complain that I'm not getting enough sleep at night from having sex from 9pm to 2am with the three hot young women that I share my bed with. You see, my concern there would be fake because I wouldn't give a shite about losing sleep were I in that situation.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:53 am to Friedbrie
I'm more concerned about the knee-jerk absolutism to oppose anything and everything he says or does...
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