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Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:03 pm to WaWaWeeWa
From an old thread:
They stopped testing at 60 days.
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Normal mRNA only lasts for a few hours in a cell, where ribosomes create proteins corresponding to that mRNA sequence. Once it's gone the cell stops translation of that protein. These 'vaccines' replace uridine in the mRNA sequence with pseudouridine (N1-Methylpseudouridine) which lasts for MONTHS.
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This shows their franken-mRNA still present 60 days after injection, still cranking out spike protein in potentially fragile cells like vascular endothelium, nerve tissue, blood brain barrier, etc.
They stopped testing at 60 days.
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Iirc, that same study didn’t find continuous production with natural immunity or the J&J type.
This post was edited on 1/3/23 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:08 pm to THog
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But how much tissue damage can an immune system do in 2-3 months, if it doesnt stay in the muscle at the injection site? If heart tissue is affected?
Well, some transient inflammation is to be expected, but there are several possible mechanisms of immune related injury, none of which seem to be referenced when discussing vaccine-related injuries.
You can have hypersensitivity reactions. The more likely hypersensitivity reactions would be Type II and Type III. In Type II, you would have some type of findings on histopathology during the inflammatory phase, with clinical features that would be due to the cellular injury patterns, such as cells that are injured in a characteristic pattern. Similarly, in Type III, you would find evidence of immune antibody-antigen complexes in tissue samples. Occasionally you'll have complete recovery, such as in Poststreptococcal glomerulonephritis, and in other cases, you might see death, such as rapidly progressive glomerulonephritis like in Goodpasture (if left completely untreated). But you would absolutely see evidence of injury patterns on histopathology, as well as symptoms.
It would be very strange for there to be anything going on with the mRNA vaccine without some consistent presentation and/or evidence of cellular injury patterns.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:10 pm to THog
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But how much tissue damage can an immune system do in 2-3 months, if it doesnt stay in the muscle at the injection site? If heart tissue is affected?
We may never know that answer.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:12 pm to Robin Masters
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“The vaccines couldn’t be what is killing us because they're so damn ineffective.” Is that really where we are in this?
No kidding.
Even putting aside the issue of vaccine safety, at this late stage, anyone defending these overhyped and underperforming vaccines is akin to the shark jumping Fonzi.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:15 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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If the mRNA isn’t going away why do the antibodies it produces go away so fast. The vaccines are essentially worthless after a short period of time because the antibodies go away. That’s not going to happen if the mRNA is around, it will still produce antibodies.
In terms of why the antibodies are going away quickly, it is likely that the mechanism of the mRNA vaccine isn't producing a robust Th2 response, which is the key for robust antibodies. The mechanism was relying on a model of cross-presentation which linked Th1 and Th2 response, but it is possible that the mechanism is producing a thymus-independent response, which would explain the short-term duration of the antibodies. The other possibility is that the mRNA range is so specific that even one base pair substitution won't trigger a plasma cell response, which was always a danger, given that each person infected with the virus has to deal with the potential range of the entire viral genome sequence rather than a single consistent presentation of a stable antigen sequence.
The other possibility is that our notion of plasma cell homeostasis is incomplete, and that there is some other factor that mediates the robustness of antibody response.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:16 pm to WaWaWeeWa
My opinion is that it’s not the public’s job to prove the drug is dangerous, it’s the scientific community’s job to prove it’s safe. They didn’t take the required time to do long term studies like they have done with eczema medication or hard-on pills. They just deemed it safe in warp speed time. Pun intended.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:32 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:I will try to answer in non-medical jargon. mRNA faux vaccines(Moderna, Pfizer, Astra Zeneca, etc.) insert instructions into human cells to manufacture a spike protein that is similar to the spike proteins on the surface of the Covid 19 virus. The human immune system responds to the manufactured spike proteins by making antibodies that attack the virus. These instructions remain in human cells and continue to make the spike protein until those human cells die. Over time, as the covid virus evolves and the spike protein on its surface changes, the human immune system may be failing to recognize the new version of the spike protein on the surface of the new virus strain. So, there is no immune response to the next covid variant. However, the human cells that were instructed to manufacture spike proteins continue to pump out the spikes. This may be the reason that those strange rubbery long blood clots that have been removed from victims contain large quantities of the manufactured spike proteins and why many people continue to have various health issues after they take the faux vaccines. Make sense?
Im asking why the antibodies go away?
I call the shots faux vaccines because they really are not vaccines at all. They are hack on your DNA to make a protein that the human genome does not produce without the mRNA instructions that have been injected into your cells
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:34 pm to WaWaWeeWa
From another thread:
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It seemed to most effective as part of an ambulatory package that included azithromycin (z pack)...which seems to prevent (displace) spike proteins from binding with the CD147 receptor, inhaler, zinc, and supplemental vitamin D3. Focusing on the spike proteins, we don’t know when the body stops making spike protein for a portion of those that are vaccinated. For the unvaxxed, the NIH reviewed autopsies of those that were immune suppressed and found that their body had spike proteins being replicated throughout the body (and for a good period of time). Those with active immune systems were basically able to “turn off” the spike protein production once recovered. As for the vaccinated, on the surface this potentially could be a much bigger concern (long term) for those that received MRNA related vaccines. J&J and Astra-Zeneca we’re both nano-viral vectors that started with complimentary DNA. While nano-viral vectors have a history of potential clotting (a side effect that is well documented with these two) they do seem to mimic the natural response by eventually shutting down the production of spike proteins in otherwise healthy individuals. As for the MRNA vaccines, I have yet to see anything that notes when (if ever) the spike proteins will cease to be produced. I would love to see the literature (if you can produce it) stating that the production definitively stops in otherwise healthy individuals. It seems as though the production of spike protein will occur wherever the lipid-nanoparticle distributes (including crossing the blood/brain barrier). The production can be (is) prolific. In addition to binding with the aforementioned CD147, and ACE2 receptors, it also has been shown to bond with the p53 tumor suppressor gene, as well as genes associated with breast and ovarian cancers. The uptick in unusual cancers may be related to these issues, especially in younger people. Time and studies will tell. Nonetheless, the types of cancers (including those supposedly once in remission) are on the uptick. This is undeniable and observable (I have linked info previously regarding the US Military). Lastly, the spike protein may be inhibiting our immune system as well (for examples...t-cell suppression and type 1 interferon). As such, the spike proteins may be related to various health concerns (such as “Long Covid,” which correlates [50%+] to Epstein-Barr...which correlates to certain cancers).
Posted on 1/3/23 at 10:33 pm to WaWaWeeWa
The human body doesn't continue to produce antibodies and maintain them in the absence of the threat they were responding to. That's the job of our T cells and B Cells to remember and then crank up antibody production should the threat return.
That's the way our immune system works.
That's the way our immune system works.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 11:43 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:I thought speculation respecting the “vaccines” harmful aspects was not about how long mRNA hung around but where the spike proteins congregated-in organs far distant from the injection site.
If the mRNA is producing spike proteins for a long time, your body should be producing antibodies for a long time.
Like the heart, epithelial tissue, reproductive tissue and so forth.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 11:58 pm to WaWaWeeWa
The virus combined with the vaccine decimate your immune system.
After that any infection of any kind can be fatal.
The flu vaccines can kill anybody that has had Covid and the vaccine.
The goal of the Elite perpetrators is to reduce the population of planet earth to 30M people.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 6:44 am to crazy4lsu
Thoughts on the following?
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Focusing on the spike proteins, we don’t know when the body stops making spike protein for a portion of those that are vaccinated.
For the unvaxxed, the NIH reviewed autopsies of those that were immune suppressed and found that their body had spike proteins being replicated throughout the body (and for a good period of time).
Those with active immune systems were basically able to “turn off” the spike protein production once recovered.
As for the vaccinated, on the surface this potentially could be a much bigger concern (long term) for those that received MRNA related vaccines. J&J and Astra-Zeneca we’re both nano-viral vectors that started with complimentary DNA. While nano-viral vectors have a history of potential clotting (a side effect that is well documented with these two) they do seem to mimic the natural response by eventually shutting down the production of spike proteins in otherwise healthy individuals.
As for the MRNA vaccines, I have yet to see anything that notes when (if ever) the spike proteins will cease to be produced. I would love to see the literature (if you can produce it) stating that the production definitively stops in otherwise healthy individuals. It seems as though the production of spike protein will occur wherever the lipid-nanoparticle distributes (including crossing the blood/brain barrier). The production can be (is) prolific. In addition to binding with the aforementioned CD147, and ACE2 receptors, it also has been shown to bond with the p53 tumor suppressor gene, as well as genes associated with breast and ovarian cancers. The uptick in unusual cancers may be related to these issues, especially in younger people. Time and studies will tell. Nonetheless, the types of cancers (including those supposedly once in remission) are on the uptick. This is undeniable and observable (I have linked info previously regarding the US Military).
Lastly, the spike protein may be inhibiting our immune system as well (for examples...t-cell suppression and type 1 interferon). As such, the spike proteins may be related to various health concerns (such as “Long Covid,” which correlates [50%+] to Epstein-Barr...which correlates to certain cancers).
Posted on 1/4/23 at 7:57 am to Tigerbythetale
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The goal of the Elite perpetrators is to reduce the population of planet earth to 30M people.
Imagine people actually believing this
Posted on 1/4/23 at 8:07 am to slinger1317
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Imagine people actually believing this
Imagine thinking the world is there to serve you and always has your best interests in mind. The side effects of look serious to me. And it's approved for infants now.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:07 am to WaWaWeeWa
I remember reading an early report that indicated the problem was the spike proteins created as a result of taking the mRNA vaccines. Apparently the spike proteins were accumulating and not being eliminated.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:22 am to WaWaWeeWa
People should stop focusing on these "vaccine cures" and get down to allowing their bodies to function as evolution has provided to strengthen your immune system -eating well, being physically active, maintaining a healthy weight, getting enough sleep, not smoking, and avoiding excessive alcohol use.
Get physically healthy and the likelihood of severe adverse reaction to these issues decreases exponentially. Is it a save all end all? NO. No one is guaranteed another day regardless of health - that's God's plan for us, however, you can maximize your immune system health by respecting the amazing physical system we are all given.
Get physically healthy and the likelihood of severe adverse reaction to these issues decreases exponentially. Is it a save all end all? NO. No one is guaranteed another day regardless of health - that's God's plan for us, however, you can maximize your immune system health by respecting the amazing physical system we are all given.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:35 am to jimmy the leg
Entirely possible, but there is more evidence of prolonged immune system dysfunction in relatively healthy people who had an actual infection than there is evidence of continued replication of the spike protein itself. If there was continued replication, and the body continued to recognize those cells as 'non-self,' thus starting phagocytic responses, then we would see consistent antibody titers for a longer period of time.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:41 am to WaWaWeeWa
mRNA isn’t going anywhere.. it’s “their” future & we are to comply.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 10:02 am to WaWaWeeWa
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For those that claim the vaccine is causing long term problems. I assume you think the mRNA is hanging around your body for a long time.
You take this as given, but I'm not sure why. It's possible that the mRNA could cause damage or change something that causes negative health effects without lingering in the body. If I take a massive dose of a drug, or poison, that can damage my body permanently and cause lasting health effects even if the drug or poison is out of my system after a short period of time.
I understand that mRNA isn't a drug or a poison, but I also understand it was rushed through and forced on people under enormous pressure to suppress any concerns that it might be unsafe, and without the usual studies of long-term damage.
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