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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:10 pm to
Posted by Errerrerrwere
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:10 pm to
Guam was better
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:17 pm to
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Would you believe me if I told you that these "groups" weren't pigeonholed NEAR to the extent that they self selected their pigeonholed groups?

Take that fellow, a Somali, that killed that Australian woman many years back... did you know he is in a position of authority and power now AND vows to serve Somalians both here and abroad. Not citizens, not everyone.. but Somalians.

They pigeonhole themselves... I just honor their wishes.


Sounds to me like you're allowing stupid people define your own standards.

Posted by Masterag
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:18 pm to
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One vision of American identity is based on lineage, blood and soil: Inherited attributes matter most. The purest form of an American is a so-called heritage American — one whose ancestry traces back to the founding of the United States or earlier.


I have come to agree with this more and more. Simply because if we don't have a long, shared history, what's to protect? Why would we look upon each other as family, even though we aren't blood related?

I don't think we should never let anyone in. But we need at least 100+ years of net negative migration to become a cohesive nation again.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:19 pm to
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Sounds to me like you're allowing stupid people define your own standards.


No.

I'm allowing people to self define.

Who am I to tell anyone who they are?

Posted by AlterEd
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:20 pm to
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Sounds to me like you're allowing stupid people define your own standards.


The Smithsonian, from the very beginning, termed native americans as a subspecies of human. Using them as a source on what is or isn't racism is about as stupid as it gets.
Posted by lurking
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:22 pm to
We get it, fed. White western culture bad. You people always reveal yourselves.
Posted by Masterag
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:22 pm to
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Don't believe me? Ask the muthafukkin Smithsonian what "whiteness" is- the Smithsonian definition includes these "American" traits.



black Americans held these same ideals until the leftist movement led by MLK and Angela Davis proceeded to deliver blacks into the hands of the government.
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:23 pm to
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No.

I'm allowing people to self define.

Who am I to tell anyone who they are?



You're supposed to be better.


Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:25 pm to
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black Americans held these same ideals until the leftist movement led by MLK and Angela Davis proceeded to deliver blacks into the hands of the government.


Should they ever come back to the right side... I'll be happy to welcome them without hesitation.

But.. despite the quickness in which they were swayed, I doubt their return will be so swift.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:27 pm to
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He concluded, "And if you don’t have the guts to say these things without stuttering, then you have no place as a leader in this movement."


As someone who stuttered as a child and has a child who stutters, this verbiage really, really irritates me. I know he doesn't mean in the literal sense, but it's careless.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:27 pm to
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That's funny because the earliest cosmology in the world came from India. Along with some of the grandest architecture the world has ever seen. What your meme really means is that the western man was good at war and slaughtered many millions of people to usurp their power and hold it with an iron fist.


Nothing I said denigrates the cultural achievements of non-Western cultures.

Nor does the quote by Joe Sobran promote imperialism.

Joe Sobran indeed was a voracious critic of the Republic’s degeneration into an expansive military empire that operates by one rule: might makes right.


How Many Enemies?

…The United States dominates the globe, and many foreigners just can’t comprehend that we are the good guys. In terms of their own cultures and interests, we may appear to them as the bad guys. The narrow-minded Russians don’t see why NATO should push up against their borders by including their neighbors, while excluding Russia itself. The pig-headed Arabs, Iranians, and others think the United States is making war on Islam. The self-centered Chinese consider us aggressive prigs who are muscling in on “their” part of the world. Small-minded Latin Americans think the United States is a bully.
This post was edited on 12/21/25 at 10:33 pm
Posted by Masterag
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:28 pm to
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Vivek is 100% right. Collectivism is a central tenant of Marxism for a reason and should be rejected. Individualism, which means not looking at people as "Jews" or "Muslims" or whatever group identity is the only way.



but what people on the right are advocating for is not collectivism, it's more like kinship. Ex: my cousin and I are kin and will inherit things from our mutual forbears, but that doesn't mean we share incomes.
Posted by AlterEd
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:28 pm to
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We get it, fed. White western culture bad. You people always reveal yourselves.




I'm criticizing the idiot who uses the Smithsonian as a source for anything.







Yeah, I'm the "fed" that makes a habit of trashing government institutions, you fricking moron.

The Smithsonian is a trash organization and using them as a source for what constitutes racism is fricking retarded.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:28 pm to
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You're supposed to be better.


Why?

Because I'm white?















Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:30 pm to
But, but, but


I kid. I kid.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:31 pm to
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Why?

Because I'm white?


You're either a good person or you are a piece of shite, race has nothing to do with it.

If you don't strive to be better, then you aren't a good person.

And I really don't have much else to say to you.
Posted by deltaland
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:31 pm to
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Americanness isn’t a scalar quality that varies based on your ancestry. It’s binary: Either you’re an American or you’re not. You are an American if you believe in the rule of law, in freedom of conscience and freedom of expression, in colorblind meritocracy, in the U.S. Constitution, in the American dream, and if you are a citizen who swears exclusive allegiance to our nation.



The problem is we keep bringing millions of people, mostly non white, that don’t hold these views here and it’s destroying that culture. People who actually believe in true freedom are a very small percentage of the world population and it’s why we need to be very selective in who we let come here. We do not need criminals, deadbeats, welfare queens, Marxist’s, etc. I don’t want Western European immigration to the U.S. either. It’s apparent they no longer value freedom and law and order either
Posted by Masterag
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:32 pm to
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Should they ever come back to the right side... I'll be happy to welcome them without hesitation.

But.. despite the quickness in which they were swayed, I doubt their return will be so swift


that depends on whether the welfare state continues apace. the perceived prevailing black "culture" cannot continue without help from the government. I say perceived because I'm not sure it is the prevailing black culture, but it is the most visible.

It's also increasingly invading white "culture," just look at the single motherhood rates as an indicator.

Black people were a test case for family destruction through "benefits." They found out it works, and will continue with the plan indefinitely until stopped.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:35 pm to
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That's probably true. Doesn't mean I like it or accept it because there are fewer of them on my side. Racism should be called out. ESPECIALLY when it's coming from our side.



Good god man, give it a rest will ya? Racism has been misapplied and generally watered down as a term for so long now that it’s impossible to even take the charge seriously anymore. You can continue crying about it but no one cares.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:36 pm to
Ed, in all honesty you need to look at your delivery.

These kids watched their JFK get his head blown off. Charlie fought for the young, white, Christian male. Somebody needed to fill that vacuum.

It wasn't the deranged short guy riding in on his Shetland Pony that is constantly calling them antisemites. It's not Mark Levin yelling at them and shoving the Constitution down there throats.

They are gravitating to the Tucker's, Candace's and Kelly's who are still fighting for them. Fuentes is just going to carry that cross on his shoulders for them.

One of the main reasons Trump won because Charlie sealed the younger vote for him. And more than doubled that demographic from Biden in 2020.

You need to rethink your argument.
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