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re: Jim Jordan: "This is Not Constitutional."
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:36 am to cave canem
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:36 am to cave canem
Nothing good comes from Mississippi state....absolutely nothing
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Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:36 am to Stan Switek
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If the President is not being tried, then there is no impeachment.
Impeachment applies to many federal officers besides POTUS
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The Constitution specifically lays out who is to be tried, and "private citizen" isn't one of them.
Ok? No private citizen has been impeached here.
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then argue that he isn't afforded the procedural rules applicable to a President because he is now a private citizen at the time of the trial.
Who has made this argument? And can you specifically reference these procedural rules that you think exist? Are you referring to the procedural rules that the house and senate draft and agree to for their portions of the process? Because those rules and most of the impeachment process are entirely in the purview of Congress. The Constitution says nothing about any procedural rules for POTUS.
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What if the impeachment started while in office, then continued passed his term? Does the CJ then step down since, constitutionally, he can't preside over the impeachment of a private citizen?
Theoretically, yes, he could. The President pro temp of the Senate would likely slide into his spot.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:38 am to cave canem
quote:There it is. The Democratic playbook laid bare and projected ladies and gentlemen.
He is simply co-mingling several things and using key words recognized by everyone that do not apply and hoping the sheep are too lazy to even use Google, sad to think he was once considered an honorable man.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:39 am to Indefatigable
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The President of the United States is not being tried.
So who is being impeached? Lol.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:40 am to BiteMe2020
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If the Congress can completely deprive the Presidency of due process in an impeachment and the subsequent trial, then there's no check on the Congress' ability to simply remove Presidents for any reason at all.
Correct. And Congress can ultimately do so if they have the votes. Which they never ever will without some type of cause.
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presumably even for local dog catcher (that would depend, I suppose, on the final resolution of the Senate vote determining what the punishment should be if there is a Senate conviction).
The senate can only bar him from seeking or holding federal office.
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arguably would be depriving a US Citizen of a right.
Not at all.
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It's a complete sham.
It is simply amazing how worked up some of you people are over political theater.
who cares about the show trial? Let them do it. He will not be convicted. Turn off fricking cable news and quite reading gateway pundit. Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:40 am to Indefatigable
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Theoretically
I thought it was incredibly simple. I guess it’s not.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:40 am to Indefatigable
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Impeachment applies to many federal officers besides POTUS
What federal officer is Trump currently?
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Ok? No private citizen has been impeached here.
So then Trump is impeached in his position as President. Agreed.
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And can you specifically reference these procedural rules that you think exist?
The Constitution.
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Theoretically, yes, he could. The President pro temp of the Senate would likely slide into his spot.
No he couldn't, according to the Constitution.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:40 am to the808bass
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So who is being impeached? Lol.
No one is being impeached currently that I am aware of.
The former President was impeached last month before his term ended. The trial is now taking place.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 8:41 am
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:41 am to Indefatigable
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It is simply amazing how worked up some of you people are over political theater. who cares about the show trial? Let them do it. He will not be convicted.
Yet here you are holding forth. Above it all. Wist we that we should be so temperate.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:42 am to Stan Switek
Donal Trump is not the President. He is a former President, and he was President when he was impeached. But he is not the President right now at the time of the trial. So no Chief Justice.
That’ from a very short sentence in the Constitution. It is very clear
That’ from a very short sentence in the Constitution. It is very clear
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:43 am to cave canem
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I am woefully ignorant and I keep the wool pulled down tightly over my eyes.
FIFY
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:43 am to the808bass
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Wist we that we should be so temperate.
I just wish y’all wouldn’t subscribe to low-IQ arguments regarding the Constitution like the ones espoused in this thread and others on this topic.
It’s not difficult to be nuanced and honest about a process that you ultimately disagree with.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 8:45 am
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:44 am to Indefatigable
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POTUS is not being tried.
Let me see if I understand your reasoning here.. you think that punishment can be handed down without a trial? They are trying to punish and deprive a citizen of his rights. Do you think that can be done without a trial? If you believe this, I hope you have to live by that standard yourself.
If you don't believe this, then you admit that this whole thing is a pointless, powerless sham.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:44 am to Indefatigable
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Impeachment applies to many federal officers besides POTUS
Irrelevant. Trump is not any of "many federal officers besides POTUS". Former or Ex President is not an office.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:45 am to BiteMe2020
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Irrelevant. Trump is not any of "many federal officers besides POTUS". Former or Ex President is not an office.
There is nothing relevant in this post. Trump was impeached while in office
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:46 am to Indefatigable
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Not at all.
How would preventing an otherwise qualified individual from holding office not be removing a right?
The Constitution states the qualifications for running for federal offices in the Congress and for the Presidency. If you meet those qualifications, you can run.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:47 am to Indefatigable
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There is nothing relevant in this post. Trump was impeached while in office
So he's being tried as President. In which case the Chief Justice SHALL preside.
Thanks.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:47 am to auggie
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Let me see if I understand your reasoning here.. you think that punishment can be handed down without a trial?
What? No one has said that.
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They are trying to punish and deprive a citizen of his rights.
No, armchair civil rights lawyer, they are not.
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Do you think that can be done without a trial? If you
Again, no one has ever said that.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:47 am to BiteMe2020
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So he's being tried as President. In which case the Chief Justice SHALL preside.
The Constitution does not say when someone is tried as President. It says when the President is tried.
The President is not being tried. Plain language always wins when it’s unambiguous.
You are welcome.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:48 am to boosiebadazz
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And I love how you guys hide behind Roberts’ supposed “opinion” when it suits you, but eviscerate when his other opinions conflict with yours ?
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boosiebadazz
If you were smarter than the typical ambulance chaser (Spoiler Alert: You Aren't), you'd have enough sense to realize that the fact that Chief Justice John Roberts, an avowed Trump hater, thinks this is a joke lends even MORE CREDENCE to the obvious fact that this is just one more witch-hunt by the Deep State to destroy Donald Trump once and for all.
How would you have voted yesterday, dude? To proceed with this farce? For that matter, are you still pushing the false narrative of Trump/Russia collusion?
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