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re: Just once it would be refreshing for a Republican governor to oppose ‘Price Gouging Laws’

Posted on 2/1/26 at 7:49 am to
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
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Posted on 2/1/26 at 7:49 am to
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Libertarians understand human nature better than most
Oh wow, lol
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 2/1/26 at 7:49 am to
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Oh wow, lol


I'm all ears, bud.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 2/1/26 at 7:51 am to
Libertarians are, at best, naive when it comes to human nature.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
54053 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 7:52 am to
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I'm all ears, bud.

True libertarians are as clueless as communists. Government has to exist at a large enough scale to protect the masses from the rapaciousness of the warlord types.

My guess is that what you call “libertarianism” is really just small government conservatism. That is practicable.
Posted by TigerAllNightLong
Member since Jul 2023
1085 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 7:53 am to
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very red state

Unless you’re talking about TX or FL, “very red states” are really plantations that pretend to be conservative. Louisiana, for instance, is a kleptocracy run by about 15-20 rich families whose only ideology to to hold on to their wealth no matter how inefficient and corrupt they may be.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
43628 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 7:55 am to
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they will lose money?


Do you believe that this happened?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
27438 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 7:57 am to
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If you are correct then there are goods that are priceless due to having undergone this phenomenon. What are those goods?


Beanie Babies.

Wait, that's not right......
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
10734 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 7:57 am to
I get you believe that. I'm asking you to elaborate on it.

Keeping w/ the topic of this thread, is it your belief that politicians know what the price of things "should be" when a disaster hits or is coming? Libertarians don't believe that. It's human nature to hoard as much as you can when an emergency is coming, and you'll hoard a lot more when prices are lower than they'd otherwise be.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
37791 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 7:58 am to
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Just once it would be refreshing for a Republican governor to oppose ‘Price Gouging Laws’
We get WeatherUnderground and stock up with everything we need for when the storm hits. Even had a generator but although looks brand new, wouldn't cramk.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
54053 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 7:58 am to
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Beanie Babies.

Wait, that's not right......

Beanie Babies for sale at prices less than infinity
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
10734 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 8:00 am to
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My guess is that what you call “libertarianism” is really just small government conservatism. That is practicable.


No. I'm pretty hard core, Penrod. I'm an ancap.

But, I do realize that is not going to happen, so much like Milei, I see it as the North Star. Every step closer to it is better for society.

Nothing is a bigger warlord than government. Nothing has ever, or will ever come close.

And about human nature and government; What kind of people do you think a monopoly on power attracts?
Posted by tgdawg68
Georgia
Member since Dec 2019
821 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 8:00 am to
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Rather, the price spikes I mentioned were felt at the wholesale level. Problem is, that created massive losses on the year for retailers, because they were so severely price gouged by the wholesalers.


There are contractual things that utilities can do to reduce exposure to volatility. It's on them if they did not do that.

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over 99% of Texas houses are on fixed rate plans

There are also rate designs that can send proper price signals (inclining block, demand components, etc.) Again, if the utilities did not do this, it's on them.
Posted by weagle1999
Member since May 2025
2478 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 8:05 am to
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Wholesalers did not have to increase their prices by 40,000% to recoup increased transport cost.


From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs, right?

This post was edited on 2/1/26 at 8:07 am
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
27438 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 8:08 am to
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From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs, right?


It's unbelievable. This isn't exactly a conservative forum any longer but it definitely votes the right side of a ticket, so I guess that's where we are as a country.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25539 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 8:09 am to
You must have never lived through the aftermath of a hurricane where every gas station for 30+ miles is either closed or their tanks have been already been emptied.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471824 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 8:13 am to
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Free market principles depend on fair market value.

Fair market value means the price negotiated between a willing seller and a willing buyer, with neither party UNDER DURESS.

Those last two words are critical

In a state of emergency / disaster situation, is one party under duress?

Something to think about.


You're looking at it from the wrong angle.

Look at it from the supply side. Is the supply chain likely to divert more widgets to an area where they can sell them for more? If the widgets are forced to be normal price, there is no incentive to move more critical widgets to that area.
Posted by weagle1999
Member since May 2025
2478 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 8:13 am to
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You must have never lived through the aftermath of a hurricane where every gas station for 30+ miles is either closed or their tanks have been already been emptied.


Would the tanks have been emptied if gas was $15 / gallon?
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
54053 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 8:14 am to
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Nothing is a bigger warlord than government. Nothing has ever, or will ever come close.

Amen! But government by the people can be controlled. And without it, we will have government by authoritarians. There is no option besides balancing on that unstable spot where to one side lies tyranny of government and to the other lies tyranny of anarchy.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
43628 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 8:17 am to
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Would the tanks have been emptied if gas was $15 / gallon?


Possibly.

Desperate people are willing to go to great lengths.

Again, I asked you about water.

How long can you live without it?
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25539 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 8:19 am to
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Would the tanks have been emptied if gas was $15 / gallon?
Probably not. But you’d also have a lot more people who stay home for the storm instead of evacuating because of how expensive it would be to fill up their tanks to leave. So further strain on limited resources until power and services get restored
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