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re: LA moving toward closed primaries
Posted on 1/21/24 at 9:48 am to LSURussian
Posted on 1/21/24 at 9:48 am to LSURussian
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What does how a person usually votes mean the same as forcing that person to join a political party in order to be able to vote? Very Soviet of you, Comrade.
That’s not how a closed primary works.
A party has its members choose their candidate by voting. Any party can choose their candidate.
When the candidates are chosen by the parties they run in a general election. Independents or parties not having a primary can enter their people. Everyone votes.
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Posted on 1/21/24 at 10:05 am to Indefatigable
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The LAGOP wants closed primaries so it can gatekeep and clear the field for its shitty candidates.
??????????
Right now we get all the candidates and then some. Closed primaries would get the same candidates, but instead of having the party members pick the best one all the voters choose.
I think the Dems lije the current system. They let the Republicans slug it out. If one is able to get a majorly of the vote in the primary like Landry did so be it. He was going to win anyway.
But if a weaker Republican gets in with a white Dem it’s all hands on deck. They throw their full weight behind the Dem and win. That’s the formula they used to put Bianco and Jon Bel in office.
You keep saying that a closed system guarantees that a Dem gets in the general. It would, but one had gotten in every time a Republican didn’t get a majority in the primary. If a Republican is that strong a Dem has no chance anyway.
Let the Dems slug it out too. Their black voters will get behind a black, their white voters will get behind a white. They might get angry at each other. They might not turn out fir the general if that’s the case. Right now they don’t have that problem. The current set up helps them a lot.
ETA:
Total Dems... 1,145,656
White 393,341
Black 702,062
Others 50,253
This post was edited on 1/21/24 at 10:27 am
Posted on 1/21/24 at 10:17 am to VOR
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50’s-60’s
Times have changed. Even Ronald Reagan was a DIM back then.
Repubs arent going to register to vote DIM, and then have no say-so in who wins the (R) nomination. Because if the (R) wins, hes not hiring registered DIMs to work for him
Posted on 1/21/24 at 10:31 am to doubleb
quote:I know that.
That’s not how a closed primary works.
A party has its members choose their candidate by voting. Any party can choose their candidate.
When the candidates are chosen by the parties they run in a general election. Independents or parties not having a primary can enter their people. Everyone votes.
Everyone votes in the general election after the runoff Dem and Republican candidates have been chosen.
So independents have no vote in determining the runoff candidates one of which will become the eventual winner.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 10:36 am to LSURussian
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So independents have no vote in determining the runoff candidates one of which will become the eventual winner.
Correct. Why should they if they aren’t members?
Independents would get to vote for whomever in the general. They could run themselves, and if they wanted to get a voice in a party’s nomination then they could register for that party.
I vote Republican. I vote to choose my party’s candidate for president. In 2026 I voted Ted Cruz. In 2020 I voted Trump. Why can’t we chose other elected officials that way?
Posted on 1/21/24 at 10:47 am to LSUFanHouston
Question about closed primaries:
2 Republicans Fred and Bill run against each other and Bill wins.
2 Democrats Jerry and Mary run against each other and Mary wins.
Bill(R) and Mary(D) advance to the general election. Can Fred and Jerry change to Independent and run in the general election with Bill and Mary? So then the winner could possibly have less than 50% of the vote?
2 Republicans Fred and Bill run against each other and Bill wins.
2 Democrats Jerry and Mary run against each other and Mary wins.
Bill(R) and Mary(D) advance to the general election. Can Fred and Jerry change to Independent and run in the general election with Bill and Mary? So then the winner could possibly have less than 50% of the vote?
Posted on 1/21/24 at 10:53 am to LSURussian
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So independents have no vote in determining the runoff candidates one of which will become the eventual winner.
Well, yeah
Why would anyone want indies to decide which DEMOCRAT and which REPUBLICAN is their parties representative? They get that opportunity in the general?
No one wants the Packers or the Cowboys players to show up today, and decide whether the Bills advance to the next round
Posted on 1/21/24 at 10:57 am to Kramer26
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So then the winner could possibly have less than 50% of the vote?
There are no runoffs in a closed primary. Whoever finishes first is the winner. You arent required to get 50%.
They can certainly run as an indie, but they likely wont have the financial support or met certain deadlines to even be on the ballot. Theres usually only 4 weeks between elections
Posted on 1/21/24 at 10:59 am to doubleb
quote:Only members of the Communist Party could vote in the Soviet Union's elections. Sound familiar, Comrade?
Why should they if they aren’t members?
Posted on 1/21/24 at 11:02 am to LSURussian
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Only members of the Communist Party could vote in the Soviet Union's elections. Sound familiar, Comrade?
Only Republicans vote in the Republican Party primaries. Only Dems vote in the Dem Party primaries. We all vote in the general election.
That’s how we chose our presidential candidates. Is that Communist? No.
Choose the Governor the same way. That’s the way we use to choose all the candidates.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 11:06 am to Kramer26
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Bill(R) and Mary(D) advance to the general election. Can Fred and Jerry change to Independent and run in the general election with Bill and Mary? So then the winner could possibly have less than 50% of the vote?
It would depend on the election laws, but it’s been done.
If no candidate gets a majority have a run off. I would not be in favor of electing a candidate who got less than a majority of the votes.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 11:37 am to winkchance
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Why is this a problem? If 30% is better than the field, that is the best candidate.
because 70% voted AGAINST that person
Posted on 1/21/24 at 11:39 am to doubleb
quote:quote:
Bill(R) and Mary(D) advance to the general election. Can Fred and Jerry change to Independent and run in the general election with Bill and Mary? So then the winner could possibly have less than 50% of the vote?
It would depend on the election laws, but it’s been done.
If no candidate gets a majority have a run off. I would not be in favor of electing a candidate who got less than a majority of the votes.
Under the law that passed, I don't believe Fred and Jerry can run in the general.
However if Joe, the Libertarian, and Sue, the Independent ran, they would go straight to the general. And yes that could result in someone getting less than 50% under the new law. There is no general election runoff.
MORE important to me, let's say there are only democrats running (eg New Orleans) or only republicans running (a lot of rural and suburban areas) then there is NO general election and no one gets to vote but people who voted in the primary. So in this case either the democrats or republicans (plus Independents, Libertarians, Constitutional, etc) would not get to vote. Screw that.
That would happen a lot under this new system if it were extended to lower level races (legislators and judges).
Posted on 1/21/24 at 12:38 pm to doubleb
Your posts have become very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very redundant.
So it's okay with you that 800,000 Louisiana independent voters will be excluded from voting in the primary elections?
Which party do independent voters usually lean?
Answer: Republican.
So which party are they going to be pissed at when they can't vote in the primary?
Answer: Republican.
So which party's candidate are they going to hurt the most in the general election by not voting because they're pissed?
Answer: Republican.
You'd better learn to enjoy losing, Comrade.
So it's okay with you that 800,000 Louisiana independent voters will be excluded from voting in the primary elections?
Which party do independent voters usually lean?
Answer: Republican.
So which party are they going to be pissed at when they can't vote in the primary?
Answer: Republican.
So which party's candidate are they going to hurt the most in the general election by not voting because they're pissed?
Answer: Republican.
You'd better learn to enjoy losing, Comrade.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 12:49 pm to LSURussian
quote:
So it's okay with you that 800,000 Louisiana independent voters will be excluded from voting in the primary elections?
Answer: register as a Republican, comrade.
Being an independent accomplishes absolutely nothing unless it’s at a very small town/city or parish level. And even that is really not saying much.
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comrade
quote:
LSURussian
Checks out.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 1:07 pm to BigJim
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MORE important to me, let's say there are only democrats running (eg New Orleans) or only republicans running (a lot of rural and suburban areas) then there is NO general election and no one gets to vote but people who voted in the primary. So in this case either the democrats or republicans (plus Independents, Libertarians, Constitutional, etc) would not get to vote. Screw that.
Jim, that’s not right, in a general election everyone votes.
We have a closed primary coming up on March 23rd. Only Republicans and Democrats are voting. Are you and Russian outraged? No, because you are use to it because that’s how we pick our electors per the Constitution.
What’s the difference if we have closed primaries to pick our other candidates? It’s not Communistic and every voter gets to vote fir the candidate of their choice.
The idea that al voters don’t get to choose is nonsense.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 1:11 pm to LSURussian
quote:
Your posts have become very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very redundant.
Look in the mirror
.
quote:
So it's okay with you that 800,000 Louisiana independent voters will be excluded from voting in the primary elections?
They are this March unless of course you want independents, Dems and everyone else voting in the Republican primary for POTUS.
quote:
Which party do independent voters usually lean?
Probably, but not enough to dominate the governor races. Witness Blanco and JBE.
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So which party are they going to be pissed at when they can't vote in the primary?
You are guessing.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 1:19 pm to 31TIGERS
quote:You have confirmed my point, petusch.
Answer: register as a Republican, comrade.
The professional politicians in power want to force voters to join a party in order to vote in all elections.
That doesn't exactly equate to "Liberty and Freedom" in my mind...
Posted on 1/21/24 at 1:22 pm to doubleb
quote:You're still confused.
They are this March unless of course you want independents, Dems and everyone else voting in the Republican primary for POTUS.
There is no "Republican primary" if we maintain open primaries. Everyone gets to vote in the open primary with the two highest vote getters facing off in the general election, assuming no one received a majority of votes in the primary.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 1:25 pm to doubleb
quote:I'm not guessing. I know for a fact one Repulican-leaning, conservative voter who won't be voting in the general election if his first choice to be in the general election fails to make the run-off. That's a fact, not a "guess."
So which party are they going to be pissed at when they can't vote in the primary?
You are guessing.
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