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re: LOL, Candace goes there…moon landing.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 12:00 am to LookSquirrel
Posted on 12/22/24 at 12:00 am to LookSquirrel
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If you don't mind my asking. Did you know any of these guys?
Apollo 11 July 20, 1969:
I knew all of them - every astromait up thru the first few space shuttle flights = before the Mission Specialists began being onboard. I dealt with them in training situations on how to fly the craft - not how to use it for experiments, etc.
Since your interest seems to be their personal unpublished thoughts wrt to their experiences on the Lunar Surface, I have to say no. In fact, once they returned from their lunar surface flight many of them were not around ordinary workers much - they went on to bigger things. Not sure I ever saw any of them after their return from lunar landings.
Your listing of the Apollo missions only includes those who went to the moon surface in the Lunar Module. My assignment was totally involved with the 3rd member of the crew, the Command Module Pilot who stayed behind in the CM while the other 2 were in the LM.
My most long term personal involvement with the crew was with the Command Module Pilots.
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Posted on 12/22/24 at 1:01 am to IvoryBillMatt
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As I understand it, there is no evidence of NASA ever using those calculations
"As I understand it"
You don't even know what what kind of evidence you're looking for.
After decades of research by multiple countries on and how to pass through the van allen belt, NASA decided to say "frick all that research! Lets just randomly launch them into space and hope for the best!"?
What calculations do you think NASA used?
Posted on 12/22/24 at 1:33 am to Jack Carter
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You don't even know what what kind of evidence you're looking for.
I am looking for some record of exactly WHAT the calculations used were...the specific numbers used.
I'm saying "my understanding," because I am admitting that I might be wrong. I recall reading somewhere that, in addition to all of the film/video of men on the moon, all of the raw data from the Apollo missions has also been "lost." Maybe my memory (or that source) is faulty.
So if you know where I could find ANY data about the Apollo flights that would confirm that they happened as we have been told, please tell me. For instance, how much fuel did Apollo 11 burn?
From my admittedly limited knowledge. it seems hard to reconcile the fuel requirements for such a long trip with the corresponding weight of that fuel and space available on Apollo 11.
Thanks
EDIT: I have found some data on this link, stackexchange.com...going through it now, including "how was the data sourced?
LINK
This post was edited on 12/22/24 at 1:43 am
Posted on 12/22/24 at 1:53 am to IvoryBillMatt
Posted on 12/22/24 at 7:08 am to IvoryBillMatt
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some record of exactly WHAT the calculations used were...the specific numbers used.
At what level would these 'calculations' have to be presented for you to understand? - You sound like you are looking for a couple of addition/multiplication 'calculations' - From the tone of your subject matter here, the task of making you understand the "calculations' would be more daunting than the mission planning itself.
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I recall reading somewhere that, in addition to all of the film/video of men on the moon, all of the raw data from the Apollo missions has also been "lost." Maybe my memory (or that source) is faulty.
Your time, and ours, would be better served by honing your 'memory'
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where I could find ANY data about the Apollo flights that would confirm that they happened as we have been told, please tell me. For instance, how much fuel did Apollo 11 burn?
Answer = 'just enough'
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From my admittedly limited knowledge. it seems hard to reconcile the fuel requirements for such a long trip with the corresponding weight of that fuel and space available on Apollo 11.
Your lack of knowledge cannot be addressed on a message board = especially with the initial state of your 'understanding' that you have described for us. It would be like you trying to describe the workings of the SCOTUS to a 3 yr old Ugandan orphan.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:14 am to GumboPot
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Did the lunar buggy with the K-Mart lawn chairs ever make it down back to earth?
You probably know the answer. But just in case... it never left.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:34 am to IvoryBillMatt
Just the first lines from your link:
You are relying on someone who has the same fault as many questioning the 'did we land on the moon?' or not. = You know practically nothing about the mission itself - or the mechanical, physical, physics, planning, training, testing, or computational problems in achieving the goal.
Yet you pick up some 'reference' and find some "unanswered question" that you can use to generate more inane discussion to 'challenge' well settled statements of fact.
The very basis of the 'gotcha' cannot withstand 2 minutes of actual research into the subject.
Listen closely = The Lunar Module had TWO STAGES - a Descent Stage and an Ascent Stage,
EACH stage had its own FUEL SUPPLY.
The Desent Stage was left on the moon - and served as the "launch platform; for the Ascent stage - using its own fuel which had been transported all the way from earth just for that purpose.
So the whole point of this 'thing you found' collapses with about 5 minutes of thought processes that any intelligent 8th grader could perform with ease.
And this is the basic fault of ALL these "I challenge this well established 'fact'" --- they are built upon ignorant presumptions about complicated issues generously sprinkled with nonsensical assumptions revealing a total lack of independent thought - or research - or capability.
Think before you jump next time.
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I was reading through Apollo by the numbers and I noticed the LM descent to the moons surface consumed 17,414kg of fuel out of a total of 18,184kg leaving only 770kg of fuel.
But then in the very next table it says LM ascent consumed 4,836kg of fuel... when there's only 770kg available.
You are relying on someone who has the same fault as many questioning the 'did we land on the moon?' or not. = You know practically nothing about the mission itself - or the mechanical, physical, physics, planning, training, testing, or computational problems in achieving the goal.
Yet you pick up some 'reference' and find some "unanswered question" that you can use to generate more inane discussion to 'challenge' well settled statements of fact.
The very basis of the 'gotcha' cannot withstand 2 minutes of actual research into the subject.
Listen closely = The Lunar Module had TWO STAGES - a Descent Stage and an Ascent Stage,
EACH stage had its own FUEL SUPPLY.
The Desent Stage was left on the moon - and served as the "launch platform; for the Ascent stage - using its own fuel which had been transported all the way from earth just for that purpose.
So the whole point of this 'thing you found' collapses with about 5 minutes of thought processes that any intelligent 8th grader could perform with ease.
And this is the basic fault of ALL these "I challenge this well established 'fact'" --- they are built upon ignorant presumptions about complicated issues generously sprinkled with nonsensical assumptions revealing a total lack of independent thought - or research - or capability.
Think before you jump next time.
This post was edited on 12/22/24 at 8:38 am
Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:38 am to IvoryBillMatt
Just my two cents but I think more evidence leads to the fact that we did walk on the moon AND we had Hollywood producers like Stanley Kubrick animate and dramatize a lot of footage for public consumption.
In short, my theory is we went to the moon but embellished the story and if anything is being hidden it’s the embellishment of the story. NASA’s role was to get to the moon. Objective obtained. NASA’s objective was not to tell a story. CIA’s role was to propagandize the people, objective obtained.
Just my opinion but we shouldn’t allow the nefarious actions of a known criminal organization to taint the works of the good people at NASA.
In short, my theory is we went to the moon but embellished the story and if anything is being hidden it’s the embellishment of the story. NASA’s role was to get to the moon. Objective obtained. NASA’s objective was not to tell a story. CIA’s role was to propagandize the people, objective obtained.
Just my opinion but we shouldn’t allow the nefarious actions of a known criminal organization to taint the works of the good people at NASA.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:49 am to GumboPot
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GumboPot = .........we did walk on the moon AND we had Hollywood producers like Stanley Kubrick animate and dramatize a lot of footage for public consumption.
Gumbo - I do not put you in the league of the obnoxious know-nothings that perpetuate these 'what if's'
So - what do you mean by by the Stanley Kubrick reference above??
Does it apply only to stuff produced on earth for publication or entertainment?
OR - are you implying that he may have been involved in production of the film from the moon's surface??
NOW - he may well have been consulted about lighting and lens optics stuff to be used for planning and training purposes - but so far as he, or anyone else, directing, editing, or producing any of the stuff actually filmed there would be a complete surprise to me.
What specifically are your referencing in that remark?
Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:51 am to GumboPot
The tracks and equipment left on the moon are still visible.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:53 am to coastland909
Just adding this because it's timely and funny...
Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:54 am to ChineseBandit58
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Gumbo - I do not put you in the league of the obnoxious know-nothings that perpetuate these 'what if's'
Gumbo just loves conspiracy theories. I am not sure if he believes them or not, but he loves to entertain them.
The moon landing is an issue where its easy to separate the idiots from realists.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:01 am to ChineseBandit58
I remember feeling most about Collins. I put myself in his position. It drove me crazy. Being so damn close to the surface and knowing I would never get there. And all the glory left to the few walkers. Just damn. Lol
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:07 am to FreddieMac
quote:Not saying man did not go to the moon, but an unmanned mission could have dropped the reflectors on the moon, so that fact alone doesn't prove man went to the moon.
Bro there are reflectors on the moon from the landing they can bounce lasers off.
I imagine even if we went to the moon, a lot of the videos taken and released to the public may have still been faked if they wanted to public to have these but couldn't get the real video of it due to insufficient technology at the time. I feel like AI should be able to figure this out by now but to my incredibly untrained eye some of the videos seem laughably unreal.
It's also odd how a lot of the data collected and blueprints for mission we sent men to the moon are nowhere to be found.
It just seems like a lot of weird shite hangs around the entire thing, even if we did go to the moon.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:09 am to ChineseBandit58
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My most long term personal involvement with the crew was with the Command Module Pilots.
I'm fascinated. Of the CMPs of the lunar missions, which of them were your favorites?
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:10 am to goatmilker
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I remember feeling most about Collins. I put myself in his position. It drove me crazy. Being so damn close to the surface and knowing I would never get there. And all the glory left to the few walkers. Just damn. Lol
Collins turned down the opportunity to command Apollo 17. Also, his book Carrying the Fire is an excellent read.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:10 am to shel311
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even if we did go to the moon.
We did.
I'm blown away there are actually flat earthers and moon landing deniers.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:14 am to goatmilker
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I remember feeling most about Collins. I put myself in his position. It drove me crazy. Being so damn close to the surface and knowing I would never get there.
Dick Gordon is even worse.
He was the Command Module Pilot on Apollo 12 and it was obvious to both Pete Conrad and Al Bean that Gordon was kind of down that he wasn't going to be able to join them on the lunar surface. He was slated to be the Commander of Apollo 18 but his mission was canceled due to budget cuts. Apollo 17 was the last lunar mission.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:23 am to FreddieMac
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Saulk did develop a vaccine for polio, it did not eraticate it,
This guy tested it on himself and his family before giving it to millions of children.
I don’t know if our present day scientists are so brave.
And we know this would never happen.
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Salk never patented the vaccine or profited from it, instead preferring to make it available to as many people as possible.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:01 am to ChineseBandit58
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My most long term personal involvement with the crew was with the Command Module Pilots.
Very impressive Sir!
Thank you.
I wish you could clear up some of the questions my conspiratorial mind has that surround NASA specifically over the years, both before and after the Moon missions. But alas those questions, or suspicions cannot be answered with a slide rule.
I really appreciate you taking the time and effort to clarify the things you did in this thread.
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