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re: Make Mental Institutions Great Again?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:15 am to 4cubbies
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:15 am to 4cubbies
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You seem to be familiar with that stat. You do the honors.
Nope I'm not and I'm not the one touting them, you are.
My general understanding is that they are woefully unsuccessful, so I thought maybe you were privy to something different. I guess not.
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Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:16 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Nope I'm not and I'm not the one touting them, you are.
I didn’t. Someone else touted them as a solution to homeless addicts. I just clarified that they don’t provide housing.
I’m vaguely familiar with drug court but not it’s success rate.
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 11:18 am
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:18 am to 4cubbies
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The government should not be allowed to involuntary commit citizens at its discretion.
But I’m for a limited government and I’m against the police state. Just some of the many ways we differ philosophically.
Sounds like you are saying the neighbors dealing with the drug addled mentally ill chic should take matters into their own hands to fix the problem, because you don't want the government involved?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:20 am to 4cubbies
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Drug diversion programs are typically outpatient.
I am sure you are aware that is not the case for more serious cases.
Also, for them to be outpatient a judge will confirm the person has a stable living situation or else they will send them to a sober living facility.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:21 am to stout
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Also, for them to be outpatient a judge will confirm the person has a stable living situation or else they will send them to a sober living facility.
Do you think that’s how it works now? Judges don’t allow people to be homeless?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:23 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Outpatient Drug Diversion Programs (Typical Model)
Success rate: ~50–70% completion
Recidivism (re-arrest) rates: ~30–50% within 2 years
Best outcomes when:
The individual is a first-time offender
Treatment is combined with supervision (e.g., drug court)
The program includes structured therapy, drug testing, and behavioral support
Inpatient Drug Diversion Programs (Less Common)
Success rate: ~60–80% completion
Recidivism rates: ~20–40%, depending on program intensity and aftercare
Best outcomes when:
The person has severe addiction or multiple prior offenses
They stay for 90+ days (shorter inpatient stays have lower long-term success)
There's strong aftercare (transition to outpatient or sober living)
Summary:
Inpatient programs generally have higher success rates, especially for serious or chronic users.
Outpatient works well for lower-risk, first-time offenders and is far more common in diversion programs.
LINK
LINK
Little inconvenient truth for Cubbies is that the inpatient is more successful
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 11:24 am
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:27 am to 4cubbies
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The government should not be allowed to involuntary commit citizens at its discretion
What’s your solution? And don’t say more money because out here in CA they have thrown a shite ton at this problem with little to no return.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:29 am to 4cubbies
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quote:They don’t enjoy their meds so don’t stay on them leading to relapses.
quite: This is a sweeping generalization that isn’t accurate.
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studies have found that nonadherence rates were 40% to 60% for antipsychotics, 18% to 56% for mood stabilizers, and 30% to 97% for antidepressants. Furthermore, nonadherence rates were 28% to 52% for patients with major depressive disorder, 20% to 50% for patients with bipolar disorder, 20% to 72% for patients with schizophrenia, and 57% for patients with an anxiety disorder.
According to a study, the following were the most common reasons for medication nonadherence [N Engl J Med. 2005;353(5):487-497]:
• Forgetfulness (30%)
• Other priorities (16%)
• Decision to omit doses (11%)
• Lack of information (9%)
• Emotional factors (7%)
LINK
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:30 am to 4cubbies
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Do you think that’s how it works now? Judges don’t allow people to be homeless?
I am sure it varies by state but yes they generally do confirm the living situation as does the parole officer.
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Specialty courts (like drug courts or diversion programs) usually conduct a clinical and practical suitability screening, which often includes assessing whether the defendant has a safe and stable living arrangement as part of overall risk and needs evaluation
CCRP 904
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Under CCRP Article 904, before admitting someone into a drug court or diversion program, the court must order a suitability assessment conducted by a licensed treatment professional
The assessment must gather information such as:
Family history, including residence in the community (i.e. where the defendant lives and with whom)
The treatment professional then reports these findings and recommendations to the court, district attorney, and defense counsel
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:40 am to 4cubbies
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I don’t know if this has ever been posted here before.
We know this about the homeless.
1. They don't pay taxes
2. They consume welfare
3. They consume city resources (Police, Medical, Social) at high rates.
I do think a strong institutional push to make drug rehab and recovery effective will pay for itself.
I know it wont work for all, maybe not even most.
But everyone we can bring back from homelessness and addiction is a victory for us as a society.
But that requires tough love, and not enabling.
Their Parents and Children will hopefully thank us one day.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:41 am to stout
At least attempting to rectify Reagan's 2nd biggest mistake.
I applaud him for it
I applaud him for it
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:50 am to stout
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The ones in that facility have to work to pay rent or they get kicked out. Medicaid is not paying their rent and they don't get section 8. Many are there on court-ordered diversion, but they all get Medicaid.
Next time just say you don't know the answer.
My statement about addicts losing Medicaid has to do with the new work requirements that were passed this month.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:51 am to Narax
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But everyone we can bring back from homelessness and addiction is a victory for us as a society
I totally agree. I wish there was widespread support for this. Actual support outside of lip service.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:53 am to 4cubbies
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The government should not be allowed to involuntary commit citizens at its discretion.
You sound nervous.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:53 am to stout
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I am sure it varies by state but yes they generally do confirm the living situation as does the parole officer.
I know for a fact that people can be paroled to homeless shelters in Louisiana.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:54 am to 4cubbies
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I totally agree. I wish there was widespread support for this. Actual support outside of lip service.
Why not look at this proposal as a step in the right direction?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 12:01 pm to stout
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They need actual help from facilities equipped to help them.
I'm sure there is a tiny portion of miracle stories, but mostly these people can't be saved.
Housing and caring for these people will just further bankrupt the state.
The solution is to suffer what we have and create fewer over time. But that would require a functioning society which is impossible with a population density of 4cubbies types.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 12:05 pm to Turbeauxdog
Mental institutions should be a required part of a medical school rotation. Give the doctors more exposure to the truly mentally infirm.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 12:05 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Why not look at this proposal as a step in the right direction?
Because it’s not?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 12:11 pm to 4cubbies
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4cubbies
Oh god why is this stupid woman speaking again
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