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Posted on 8/27/18 at 6:14 am to
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
17026 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 6:14 am to
Go ahead. You can do it. Try hard.

Tell us the difference in gun ownership and vehicle ownership.

Again. It will save you from making a less than intelligent comparison in the future.
Posted by vodkacop
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
8035 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 6:17 am to
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If you think that is the reason, I can only assume you've never been to Europe or done much traveling in it


I have been to many european cities and i can assure you of one thing, if you didnt believe in a higher power before you got into that cab, you surely fricking believed once you were able to get out. The worst fricking driving i ever seen was Italy, Egypt, Turkey, Greece, France etc... the shoulders of their roads are fricking littered with crosses for the dead.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19267 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 7:12 am to
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Vehicle safety ain’t exactly an argument against regulation. Regulating safety features in vehicles has drastically reduced deaths. I know most of y’all think the market fix is better......a fix that is nonexistent......but regulation does work.


Vehicle deaths are increasing right now though. If you had a brain that was worth a crap, you'd look up traffic fatality and firearms-related homicide trends and notice that both declined at nearly the same rates but the trend line involving firearms started declining long before the other and did so without the regulations you assert are required.


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Make it a SERIOUS crime if a gun I own is not stored properly and is used accidentally to end someone’s life.


What kind of retard wants to be held responsible for the criminal intent and actions of another? Oh, wait...


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Gun lovers are all over concealed carry permits.....which means they have accepted regulation of who can bare arms.....making it illegal to do so in a certain manner defined by regulation. Open carry is another example. So are serial numbers, altering weapons regulations....who can commercially sale guns.....the right is impeded and we have accepted sensible regulations just like we do the sensible regulation represented by stop signs.


Wrong little moron. That's why Constitutional Carry has been the latest push. Gun owners that understand this topic know that CCW permitting has zero to do with public safety and more to do with long held over racist attitudes of Democrats. You know, you guys really hated blacks and the poor and didn't want them carrying firearms hidden from you. Still hate them.

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There are safety features and technological advances that could make the public safer from crazy motherfrickers bent on killing as many people as possible.


Name them. Name these pieces of imaginary technology that occupy your tiny little brain...


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Don’t laugh....watch Borats show where GOPers are supporting arming 4 year olds.


Laughable that you have fallen for the shtick of than con artist, typical of the low-info types that make up his fanbase. Look up what Borat the Coward did when a gun dealer recognized him and confronted him when he tried to "buy" a gun...


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A real background check and titling....yes, registering, guns will immediately decrease gun violence in the same way it isn’t practical to use a vehicle as a weapon.


You don't have a clue what goes into a current background check and there is zero evidence that registration has any impact on firearms-related deaths. Zero.

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One side has won almost every time but it is unsustainable in an era where information is readily available and thuerefore mass shootings seemingly more prevalent. The gun lobby is going to lose eventually because of the idea that nothing outside of arming every man woman and child can be done. The NRA is nearly broke right now. Over reach is coming because of the NRA.


Ummmm, gun-control advocacy has been losing ground faster in the information age. State and Federal level gun laws have been rolled back, permissive CCW laws have been passed in all but a few States, significant US Supreme Court decisions have been won against the gun-control lobby. You are clearly retarded if you think the NRA is "nearly broke" too. Typical of you though; low-info, low-IQ type that believes the same publication that was disgraced for a fake rape story it sensationalized.





Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 7:14 am to
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wonder if this guy posted here, was found of calling people "Trumptards"

sounds familiar


He looked like an angry little bob headed weasel.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
20925 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:45 am to
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An individual can sale a gun or have one stolen or lost without any ramification whatsoever if that gun is used to commit a crime.

Just like a car?
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
18386 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 9:33 am to
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38011 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 9:44 am to
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Sensible regulation of gun ownership would, like air bag and seat belt regulations, reduce deaths related to firearms.


Only affect law abiding citizens. Have zero affect on criminals.

You’re dumb

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A real background check conducted at the expense of the buyer, mandatory of any purchase from a licensed dealer and optional in the case of private sales with the caveat that should the privately sold weapon be used in a crime or in an accidental shooting the seller who chose not to transfer title to it by requiring a background check be subject to liability, both criminal and civil.


Again, only fricks over law abiding citizens. And you want to punish the person who sells a gun to someone for that other persons crime? Holy frick hitler.

Can I sue ford? They sold some frickstick a mustang and he barreled into the back of me at 80 mph in a 55.

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Make it a SERIOUS crime if a gun I own is not stored properly and is used accidentally to end someone’s life.


So, your house gets broken into and your gun gets stolen. Their kills someone. Boom now YOURE in jail bc someone stole shite from you.

Holy. frick. Kill yourself

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We already have accepted that our right to own and bare weapons without impediment doesn’t mean that right can’t be impeded by regulation. Gun lovers are all over concealed carry permits.....which means they have accepted regulation of who can bare arms.....making it illegal to do so in a certain manner defined by regulation. Open carry is another example. So are serial numbers, altering weapons regulations....who can commercially sale guns.....the right is impeded and we have accepted sensible regulations just like we do the sensible regulation represented by stop signs.


No. You accepted that. Not I. I should be able to carry my uzi where I want and how I want.

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There are safety features and technological advances that could make the public safer from crazy motherfrickers bent on killing as many people as possible. Air bags in vehicles were unthinkable 30 years ago....now they are everywhere saving lives. There was some pushback....they made vehicles more expensive, even cause deaths in very rare instances....but overall the benefits outweigh the risks.


Zero people die if we ban cars. Aren’t those thousands of lives worth it?

More people die from second hand smoke than guns. Ban cigs?

Isn’t it about saving lives?

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What there wasn’t is a very small number of people who support a very vocal lobbying organization that is a marketing firm for vehicles without airbags. That’s why anytime any sort of gun regulation is discussed that small number of people come out whining about our inability to do anything at all other than arm every man, woman and child. Don’t laugh....watch Borats show where GOPers are supporting arming 4 year olds.


Why don’t you want your 100 lb 20 year old daughter to be able to defend herself walking home at night from a 190lb man trying to rape her? What is her rape whistle gonna do buddy?

Why do you want to leave your wife and daughters unarmed and undefended?

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A real background check and titling....yes, registering, guns will immediately decrease gun violence in the same way it isn’t practical to use a vehicle as a weapon.


No. It won’t. Because like I’ve said countless times you pea brained shite stick. LAWS. ONLY. AFFECT. LAW. ABIDING. CITIZENS.

theif tom ain’t gonna say oh no m8! I gotta go register my pistol! Guess I won’t be a theif anymore!

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Guns are necessary as are cars. They are tools that make law abiding, capable adults more productive and safer....much safer to drive across the state than walk. We already accept sensible regulation of both because we realize the practicality of a stop sign over the markets answer. There are lobbying groups on both sides who make a lot of money ginning up fear. One side has won almost every time but it is unsustainable in an era where information is readily available and thuerefore mass shootings seemingly more prevalent. The gun lobby is going to lose eventually because of the idea that nothing outside of arming every man woman and child can be done. The NRA is nearly broke right now. Over reach is coming because of the NRA.


You’re 10 ply bud.
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 9:44 am
Posted by LaTexSaint
Member since Jul 2013
1027 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 10:23 am to
I do not blame any mass shooting on any President.

It's not a democrat or a republican problem.

I do believe that lately there has been a pattern when it comes to mass shootings. They tend to be white males who are said to be disgruntled or medicated. I don't believe the mental illness excuse.....Other races have mental illness and they are not committing these acts.

The question need to be asked why do white male commit these type crimes?

Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38011 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 10:26 am to
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The question need to be asked why do white male commit these type crimes?


Why do black males commit over half of violent crime?

What’s chiraqs total up to again?

What’s worse? A white kid shooting 15 people at one time, or 50 blacks getting shot indevidually over a 3 day period?
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 10:27 am
Posted by LaTexSaint
Member since Jul 2013
1027 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 10:35 am to
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Why do black males commit over half of violent crime?

What’s chiraqs total up to again?

What’s worse? A white kid shooting 15 people at one time, or 50 blacks getting shot indevidually over a 3 day period?


beerJeep

I'm glad you asked that question....

Why do black males commit over half of violent crime?

Statistically, black males with education do not commit crimes. most black crimes are associated with poverty. Doesn't excuse it, but that the reason.

What’s chiraqs total up to again?

Why is Chicago even brought up in this situation? Do you really care about what's happening or just bring it up to not talk about crimes that white males are committing?

What’s worse? A white kid shooting 15 people at one time, or 50 blacks getting shot indevidually over a 3 day period?

They are both bad. The black crime is associated with gang violence, so in a sense it's one less gang member on the street. They are attacking another person for a perceived wrongdoing

A white kid will shoot up a elementary school, a church, a concert in vegas, or a movie theater and none of these people ever wronged them.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15036 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 10:39 am to
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I seriously do not know the answer to this but....if I am a licensed dealer and I sale to an individual who falsifies a 4473 am I subject to any liability? I shouldn’t be...but am I?


IF the 4473 is filled out falsely, when the background check is performed it will be caught. Then the person that filled it out just committed a crime.

If person fills out the 4473 and checks a yes for questions 11-b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,12-b,c the background check isn't even called in because answering yes to those answer is an automatic deny.

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The liability should fall to whatever entity does the background check. The responsibility to the public that everything possible is done to ensure the purchaser is not lying should fall on whoever does the background investigation.

Every time a buyer lies and buys a gun there should be an investigation conducted and these investigations, and background checks should be paid for by the consumer, not the taxpayer.


It is very clear that you are specking about something that you know NOTHING about.
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 2:21 pm
Posted by SquirrelyBama
Member since Nov 2011
6389 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 10:39 am to
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Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38011 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 10:39 am to
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Statistically, black males with education do not commit crimes. most black crimes are associated with poverty. Doesn't excuse it, but that the reason.


Statistically, anyone with an education don’t commit crimes.
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Why is Chicago even brought up in this situation? Do you really care about what's happening or just bring it up to not talk about crimes that white males are committing?

No, I absolutely don’t give a flying frick about chiraq. Actually, I smile every time a useless waste of skin kills another useless waste of skin. Idc if that person is white black yellow brown red pink blue. They’re better off dead than alive.
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They are both bad. The black crime is associated with gang violence, so in a sense it's one less gang member on the street. They are attacking another person for a perceived wrongdoing

So, no innocents die in black on black violence? Odd.

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white kid will shoot up a elementary school, a church, a concert in vegas, or a movie theater and none of these people ever wronged them.

And all those events combined total out an avg weekend In chiraq. Feigned outrage is feigned.

Also, use your pea sized brain and click that cute little “quote” button
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 10:41 am
Posted by LaTexSaint
Member since Jul 2013
1027 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 10:52 am to
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Statistically, anyone with an education don’t commit crimes.


Actually the white males have been educated and come from affluent homes and commit crimes...For example....The shooter in colorado was working on his PHd....the shooter in new town was a college kid and came from money...or That Christopher Watts guy

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No, I absolutely don’t give a flying frick about chiraq. Actually, I smile every time a useless waste of skin kills another useless waste of skin. Idc if that person is white black yellow brown red pink blue. They’re better off dead than alive.


Soooo....Why bring it up when talking about Jacksonville?

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So, no innocents die in black on black violence? Odd.


I never said that, there are innocent bystanders from time to time. Not a good thing, but its the facts. They are not targeted like white male shooters...like Vegas...or the Movie Theaters....

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And all those events combined total out an avg weekend In chiraq. Feigned outrage is feigned.

Also, use your pea sized brain and click that cute little “quote” button


Again, if you don't care about Chicago stop bringing it up to excuse white male crimes. Chicago is awful, the problem there is deep rooted and poverty ridden.

PS....I was doing it from my phone......but I assume that was an attempt to insult me....
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 10:59 am
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38011 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 11:03 am to
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Actually the white males have been educated and come from affluent homes and commit crimes...For example....The shooter in colorado was working on his PHd....the shooter in new town was a college kid and came from money...or That Christopher Watts guy


Those are called... statistical anomolies. Aka, they are the exception. Thanks for proving my point in that you can name specific examples.

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Soooo....Why bring it up when talking about Jacksonville


Because more people die in chiraq every year than in mass shootings combined, yet the media and left don’t touch it. It’s hypocritical af.

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never said that, there are innocent bystanders from time to time. Not a good thing, but its the facts. They are not targeted like white male shooters...like Vegas...or the Movie Theaters....

Again, statistical anomolies. Hence why you can name specific events. The majority of white male shooters don’t commit mass shootings

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Again, if you don't care about Chicago stop bringing it up to excuse white male crimes. Chicago is awful, the problem there is deep rooted and poverty ridden.


Gun crime is gun crime, whether there’s one victim or 10 in that one crime. Want to stop gun violence, you focus on the majority. Not the anomaly.

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PS....I was doing it from my phone......but I assume that was an attempt to insult me....


99.99% of my post come from my phone. Being on a phone has zero to do with your ability to quote someone’s post.
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 8:34 pm to
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An individual can sale a gun or have one stolen or lost without any ramification whatsoever if that gun is used to commit a crime.

Just like a car?


No my friend it ain’t. If I sell a car with nothing to prove i did so and the car is involved in an accident I can be liable. My sons car was rear ended and totaled last year by a drunk driver. The owner of the car claimed he had sold it to the drunk driver without any sort of bill of sale and no title transfer. When that failed to relieve him of the liability he claimed the drunk driver had stolen the car.....but never filed a report stating this until a month or so after the accident. Colorado determined he (his insurance) was liable for the damages. Had he canceled the insurance when he “sold” the car or had a bill of sale our insurance would have covered the loss. Had he filed a stolen vehicle report our insurance would have covered the loss. Absent some proof of transferring ownership he was liable.

This isn’t the case with a gun. There is no way to prove I did not sale a gun if it’s used in a crime and there is nothing requiring me to report it stolen if it’s stolen or lost if I’ve misplaced it. If it’s used it in a crime or involved in an accident I am not liable for anything.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38011 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 9:13 pm to
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This isn’t the case with a gun. There is no way to prove I did not sale a gun if it’s used in a crime and there is nothing requiring me to report it stolen if it’s stolen or lost if I’ve misplaced it. If it’s used it in a crime or involved in an accident I am not liable for anything.



So you’re just ignoring the whole private bill of sale form?

And why the frick wouldn’t someone report their firearm stolen? You know who doesn’t report their firearms stolen? People with stolen firearms or people who aren’t legally allowed to own firearms.

You really are stupid
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62895 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 9:44 pm to
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Make it a SERIOUS crime if a gun I own is not stored properly and is used accidentally to end someone’s life.
Since you like auto regulations, would you support a law that says if your car is stolen, and the crook gets in a wreck (for example fleeing police) the owner is responsible?

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Don’t laugh....watch Borats show
Sure. I often base my thoughts on fundamental rights based on Borat. He's such the intellecutal. Did you really suggest we should form an opinon on firearm ownership based on Borat?

Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 7:38 am to
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So you’re just ignoring the whole private bill of sale form?

And why the frick wouldn’t someone report their firearm stolen? You know who doesn’t report their firearms stolen? People with stolen firearms or people who aren’t legally allowed to own firearms.

You really are stupid



A private bill of sale can be made anytime. I can make 100 of them between now and lunch. Not required because of this. Would that it was required. I agree with your premise 100%. The state out to require a bill of sale at least.

People will also not report a gun stolen when it isn’t. If it’s used in a crime they will then claim it was stolen when it was most likely sold or lost. Idiots lose pistols all the time. Hell I lost a browning Vitoria once for about a year after a cross country move.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38011 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 9:05 am to
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private bill of sale can be made anytime.


No they can’t. They require information on both the buyer and seller.

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can make 100 of them between now and lunch.


Make 100 of them right now then. None will be filled out correctly or accurately.

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People will also not report a gun stolen when it isn’t.


Damn look at that logic

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If it’s used in a crime they will then claim it was stolen when it was most likely sold or lost


Once again, bill of sale! Woohoo! Never had a private sale that didn’t have a bill of sale with it. That both the buyer and seller kept a copy of.

And pray tell, how does one “lose” a gun? Never had any of mine just “disappear” on me.

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Idiots lose pistols all the time


I’ve never met a single person who lost a firearm. You’re quite literally spewing shite out of your mouth at this point.

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Hell I lost a browning Vitoria once for about a year after a cross country move.


No, you didn’t.
This post was edited on 8/28/18 at 9:10 am
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