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re: Microsoft gives Gab.ai 48 hours to remove posts or they will shut it down
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:01 pm to RentSeekAndDestroy
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:01 pm to RentSeekAndDestroy
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They tested the waters and set the precedent with jones, and everyone cucked hard, so don’t expect it to ever stop. It’s just the beginning.
It didn’t just start. You just noticed it.
It started with real Neo-Nazis, then went to white nationalists, then fake white nationalists, and now to Alex Jones.
And it’s not just that Twitter or Facebook kicks a person off their platform. The end result will be complete de-platforming of the “far right”, which will mean that the supposed middle will shift to the left.
So those of you who think of yourselves as moderate conservatives, just wait long enough and you’ll be far right by default.
You’ll “tut tut” and finger point until it’s the guy juuuuust to your right, and then you’ll wake up too late.
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Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:02 pm to slackster
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Capitalism.
If this stuff continues, alternatives will be created.
As long as the ISPs have no say in content, then I agree with you. And I said as much in my post. Let the free market work this out. Someone will come along and found new sites and platforms.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:07 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Okay
Point being, they've likely considered any legal ramifications. $800B companies don't make decisions like this while overlooking a legal pitfall a message board poster has found.
I agree with your premise, but I'm sure they've considered I too.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:10 pm to DelU249
Do you disagree?
If there is a viable market for these sites, a platform will emerge.
If there is a viable market for these sites, a platform will emerge.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:13 pm to Nguyener
So well said it needed to be posted again
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This is to me a legitimately terrifying problem. One for which I cannot easily determine a solution.
On the one hand I support Microsoft and YouTube and Facebook's rights to censor and moderate their platforms as they see fit. I hate their companies and their policies, but it is not my place or the governments place to regulate them. They are private companies and they can do what they want with their platforms. The free market will eventually create a non liberal slanted platform to replace or rival them. I do, however, find it interesting someone posted the other day that if they start selectively regulating content they open themselves up to lawsuits because they no longer can be legally classified as open social media platforms exempt from things such as libel laws. I find the antisemitic speech deplorable, but it is just speech. And speech is protected in this country. It is a novel and still relatively new idea in this world. It is a right that fundamentally changed history and one that should not be trampled on lightly.
On the other hand, if Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Google, and Apple all block you, then you effectively lose the possibility of reaching an audience. And that is a huge problem. Because, while it is not the government silencing you, it is absolutely a form of suppression of speech. So what is the remedy or alternative to those who are silenced?
It comes down to a barrier to entry argument for me. Right now, someone like Gab or Alex Jones can easily just put their content somewhere else and people can continue to access it.
I rarely, if ever, advocate for increased government interference in a free market, but this is getting ridiculous. I would like to give the free market time to sort it out and see what happens.
And this is a brilliant example of the necessity of net neutrality. Because right now someone like Alex Jones or a company like Gab can just choose to host their content on another site or buy their own servers or create their own app that everyone can get access to. But imagine if Comcast or cox could decide to just roundly block all Alex Jones related content to all of their subscribers. They could then actually silence someone completely
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:13 pm to SDVTiger
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Dudes pathetic and does this all the time
Try being accurate.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:14 pm to Nguyener
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And this is a brilliant example of the necessity of net neutrality.
No, it's not.
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But imagine if Comcast or cox could decide to just roundly block all Alex Jones related content to all of their subscribers.
ISP's cant block specific content from a cloud provider. They can only block the ENTIRE cloud provider's services, and that isn't going to happen.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:14 pm to CptBengal
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have you figured whose alter it is yet? I'll give you a hint "class-ring"
So is every one that points out that you are a mindless parrot an alter now?
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:15 pm to slackster
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With all due respect, I'd imagine these decisions and their implications are run through their legal channels
I think you underestimate to the degree of inane fervor with which these people are afflicted
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:15 pm to 3nOut
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interact with plenty of Jews and really have no basis for a stereotype outside of what hollywood tells me to have.
Did you forget who actually controls hollyweird?
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:19 pm to Centinel
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ISP's cant block specific content from a cloud provider
Why not?
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They can only block the ENTIRE cloud provider's services, and that isn't going to happen.
What makes you so sure?
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:21 pm to nola000
It is an extremely interesting problem from to analyze from the angles of political science/ sociology/ free market regulation/ technological advancement/ etc...
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:23 pm to Nguyener
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Why not?
Because they would need to decrypt every single packet coming from the provider, analyze it, delete the packets specific to the content they want to censor, rencrypt the other traffic....in real time...without either end knowing it. Which is impossible.
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What makes you so sure?
Because they're not going to block a client for one minuscule part of the content hosted on that client. That makes zero business sense. Not to mention opening up a world of shite on the legal front.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:26 pm to Centinel
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Because they would need to decrypt every single packet coming from the provider, analyze it, delete the packets specific to the content they want to censor, rencrypt the other traffic....in real time...without either end knowing it.
..... Or the provider just flags all content for the ISP. You know, for example, Microsoft could just tell Comcast to block all data from gab or Alex Jones. Who said the provider won't work with the ISP? If they have the power to regulate content they won't even have to be secretive about it.
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Because they're not going to block a client for one minuscule part of the content hosted on that client. That makes zero business sense
Did you miss the entire basis for the start of this thread? That's almost literary what Microsoft is doing.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:29 pm to slackster
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This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 3:38 am
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:30 pm to DelU249
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the free market cannot solve this problem.
Gab can switch hosts or start their own hosting company. That seems to solve the problem, right?
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:31 pm to Nguyener
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..... Or the provider just flags all content for the ISP.
Listen, you obviously don't even have a basic understanding of networking. That's not a slam on you. You don't know what you don't know.
But I live in that world. And when I say it can't be done, it can't be done. Not at that granular level.
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Did you miss the entire basis for the start of this thread?
No, and the two situations are not the same. Google, Facebook, etc. blocking Alex Jones doesn't impact their bottom line even a fraction of a fraction of a percent.
An ISP blocking a cloud provider, which uses MASSIVE amounts of bandwidth, for just one dude, would mean a huge hit to the bottom line. For one guy they don't like. Hell the shareholders would crucify any CEO who made that supremely stupid decision.
And again, there would be legal ramifications as well.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:38 pm to Centinel
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Listen, you obviously don't even have a basic understanding of networking.
I do. Thank you. But I am always open to learning more. I would appreciate you educating me where I am wrong instead of dismissing everything I say because you feel intellectually superior.
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An ISP blocking a cloud provider, which uses MASSIVE amounts of bandwidth, for just one dude, would mean a huge hit to the bottom line.
As stated above, they don't need to block the whole cloud provider. Or a company can just pay them the amount they would lose so it's a wash for the ISP.
It concerns me that you have such an amazing amount of trust in ISPs.
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there would be legal ramifications as well.
Specifically what legal ramifications, keeping in mind we are discussing a world completely devoid of restrictions on ISPs as far as regulating content is concerned.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:39 pm to DelU249
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and here they are being threated by Microsoft. earth to slackster: they will not treat you fairly
Then there will be an alternative to Microsoft.
People post the statistics in average income of Republicans all the time. 63 million people voted for Trump last election. If conservative voices are being silenced, an alternative will be created.
Fox News took advantage of that void in the MSM. The same will happen in this space IF the trend continues past the current fringe.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:40 pm to 3nOut
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hating jews is like hating people from Houma.
Except with Houma, you can kind of understand.
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