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re: My 16 year old daughter has covid.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:10 am to BillWilliamson
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:10 am to BillWilliamson
My 17 year old step daughter just tested positive this morning. fricking chicomms.
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Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:15 am to JayWhite
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I put my faith in knowledge, science, and medicine.
Look. I don't know jack shite about Invermectin and can't begin to speak intelligently on the subject.
That said. Knowledge, Science and Medicine are all awesome. They're ALSO not monolithic. They're human endeavors with common disagreements and, while USUALLY, the majority is correct on these disagreements, they are not always so. This is especially true for anything relatively new.
So, I tend to look crosseyed at anyone who isn't an expert in the field themselves saying, "I trust XYZ".
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:17 am to David_DJS
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Should kids be vaccinated?
Their parents should make that determination after consulting their PED.
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Should people with natural immunity be vaccinated?
They should make that decision for themselves after consulting their doctor.
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Does anybody know the CV19 mortality rate for a healthy/fit 45 yo?
Yes.
The vaccine isn't just about individual protection.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:19 am to Blue_Rocky
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They're ALSO not monolithic.
I've never once suggested that or anything close to it.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:20 am to David_DJS
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Does anybody know the CV19 mortality rate for a healthy/fit 45 yo?
Extremely low. Do I know the actual rate dead on? No although I suppose I could go calculate it.
That said, I do know it's absurdly low because of some things we already do know in terms of numbers.
1. Roughly 70% is percent of ALL deaths are age 65 and older. Since the population of those over age 65 is FAR less than 70%, this, by definition, means the death rate under age 65 MUST be lower than the overall death rate.
2. The overall death rate is already pretty low.
3. Age 40(range) is a much larger group of people than age 65 and over. As in well over double
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:21 am to JayWhite
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I've never once suggested that or anything close to it.
I know. Didn't say you did. Just spelling out my overall point, that's all.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:24 am to JayWhite
quote:Yes. But whether people like it or not, the decision to get one is a decision of comparative risk.
The vaccine isn't just about individual protection.
This is why I would encourage a 75 year old to get the vaccine but not a 17 year old.
The vaccine has 2 types of risk. Known thus far, which seem relatively low and Unknown thus far which can't be known until more time has passed.
The risk being avoided is the virus. For a 75 year old, that's some real risk very quantifiable and, as such, they should probably get the vaccine.
The risk from COVID for a 17 year old is effectively zero. I wouldn't tell you to take an Aleve if the thing you were trying to avoid posed basically zero risk to you!!!
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:24 am to Blue_Rocky
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Blue_Rocky
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:25 am to JayWhite
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I put my faith in knowledge, science, and medicine.
Faith is not a Science word, it is a religious word.
If you really knew anything about Science, you would understand it is NEVER settled and it BEGS to be constantly challenged and questioned.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:26 am to JayWhite
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Their parents should make that determination after consulting their PED.
Okay, so I was referring to your belief in science and medicine. Parental rights isn’t science and medicine. What does science/medicine say - should healthy kids be vaccinated?
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They should make that decision for themselves after consulting their doctor.
Same as above. What’s your read of science/medicine - should those with natural immunity be vaccinated?
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Yes
Great. Then what is it? What’s the CV19 mortality rate for healthy/fit 45 yos?
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:26 am to Blue_Rocky
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This is why I would encourage
No one has a problem with people being "encouraged".
The people behind the unsettled $cience are floating the notion of world-wide mandates, all the while acting like Bond Villains intent on world domination.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:28 am to oogabooga68
quote:Agreed.
No one has a problem with people being "encouraged".
Mandating it is silly. I could almost get behind mandating it if COVID numbers were terrifying. But, they aren't. No matter how badly the media wants them to be and no matter how bad most people are at large numbers.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:32 am to Blue_Rocky
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Yes. But whether people like it or not, the decision to get one is a decision of comparative risk.
Well, it's also one of societal consequence. I'm not advocating for vaccine mandates. I'm simply pointing out that whether you're at risk for hospitalization or death, or not, is only a portion of the decision.
Reduction of viral load, and consequently reduction of interpersonal transmission are also benefits, even if not an individual benefit.
Now, is that something you care about? Well, that's up to the individual. And I support anyone making that choice for themselves, whether I agree with it or not.
What I won't tolerate is misinformation and purposeful ignorance being spread, while attempts are made to use our civil liberties as a shield.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:34 am to oogabooga68
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Faith is not a Science word, it is a religious word.
Faith is just a word. It isn't anchored to science or religion.
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If you really knew anything about Science, you would understand it is NEVER settled and it BEGS to be constantly challenged and questioned.
I think I've said as much at least three times now.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:39 am to JayWhite
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Well, it's also one of societal consequence. I'm not advocating for vaccine mandates. I'm simply pointing out that whether you're at risk for hospitalization or death, or not, is only a portion of the decision.
I agree/disagree
In a free society, how what factors I choose to use to calculate a decision that I must make are my choice and mine alone. If someone thinks I "should" consider things other than my personal risk, good for them.
I do not. Sorry. It's not relevant to me.
quote:I'm sure they are. I simply do not care. I'm not giving my child a vaccine to protect them from something that is less likely to kill them than the school playground(that's not an exaggeration, the playground is more dangerous)
Reduction of viral load, and consequently reduction of interpersonal transmission are also benefits, even if not an individual benefit.
quote:Meh. People make decisions all the time based on ideas that are less than sound. That's part of living in a free society and, I much prefer it over ALL of the alternatives
What I won't tolerate is misinformation and purposeful ignorance being spread, while attempts are made to use our civil liberties as a shield.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:40 am to David_DJS
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Okay, so I was referring to your belief in science and medicine.
Faith, not belief.
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What does science/medicine say - should healthy kids be vaccinated?
That's my recommendation. I'm not a PED.
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What’s your read of science/medicine - should those with natural immunity be vaccinated?
Again, that's my recommendation.
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Great. Then what is it? What’s the CV19 mortality rate for healthy/fit 45 yos?
The last time I cared to look at something so specific, it was below 0.5%. I'm willing to accept that this number has changed.
I'm hoping you're going to make your point now.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:45 am to Blue_Rocky
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In a free society, how what factors I choose to use to calculate a decision that I must make are my choice and mine alone. If someone thinks I "should" consider things other than my personal risk, good for them.
Yeah, that's great.
That says nothing of the affects your choices have on others. They're your choices, obviously, but that doesn't inherently mean the consequences are yours alone.
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I simply do not care.
Of course you don't care. That's your decision, not mine.
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Meh. People make decisions all the time based on ideas that are less than sound. That's part of living in a free society and, I much prefer it over ALL of the alternatives
That doesn't mean we simply accept ignorance. We continue to learn and try to grow.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:51 am to JayWhite
To me, this is really simple.
About 615K people have died of the virus in the US. Yeah yeah. I know people think that sounds like a lot. Well, it really just isn't. It wouldn't be a lot if it were spread evenly, but it is REALLY not alot spread the way it has been.
Over 78% of all deaths are age 65 and older. Over 55% are age 75 and older.
Heck, there's about a 3% chance in any given year at the age of 75 that you'll die. Of ANYTHING! By 85, that number moves to about 7% chance of dying in any given year.
Sure, I'm not saying it's no big deal to die if you're old. But, we do have to be reasonable about it!
About 615K people have died of the virus in the US. Yeah yeah. I know people think that sounds like a lot. Well, it really just isn't. It wouldn't be a lot if it were spread evenly, but it is REALLY not alot spread the way it has been.
Over 78% of all deaths are age 65 and older. Over 55% are age 75 and older.
Heck, there's about a 3% chance in any given year at the age of 75 that you'll die. Of ANYTHING! By 85, that number moves to about 7% chance of dying in any given year.
Sure, I'm not saying it's no big deal to die if you're old. But, we do have to be reasonable about it!
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:53 am to BillWilliamson
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At this point I'm convinced that next year will be worse than it is now.What is the boards outlook for this winter and beyond?
From one Pensacolian to another, This is the last place to come for "advice", if that's what you're looking for.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:55 am to JayWhite
quote:There's nothing compelling in the total numbers of the virus that should cause a typical person to change their behavior. The numbers simply aren't that bad. See my prior post.
That says nothing of the affects your choices have on others. They're your choices, obviously, but that doesn't inherently mean the consequences are yours alone.
quote:I would care if there was really a reason to. There just isn't. I also drive quite often for no reason or for superfluous reasons even though I know that doing so increases the likelihood that I might get in an accident and kill someone. This is called life.
Of course you don't care. That's your decision, not mine.
quote:I submit that the ENTIRE fear revolving around the virus is based on ignorance.
That doesn't mean we simply accept ignorance. We continue to learn and try to grow.
The virus is extremely targeted. We should have addressed that reality and literally changed NOTHING else about how we live.
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