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re: Natural immunity vs vaccine induced immunity
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:17 am to RC
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:17 am to RC
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They're ignoring the natural immunity issue because they don't want to admit that the tests were bullshite.
Finish that sentience .... and admit this whole Covid shitshow was contrived.
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:23 am to pawpoints19
quote:Measures of serious illness say the direct opposite.
more and more data are showing that the natural immunity doesn't transfer so well to Delta."
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:27 am to pawpoints19
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This story says nothing about the Delta variant.... So i'm not sure what relevance it has to this discussion.
Well, at this point they really don't know shite, as they don't even have the original virus let alone Delta.
How exactly are they do they know who has been infected?
The CDC, medical industry and the government are just making shite up out of thin air.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 9:28 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:27 am to pawpoints19
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I hear you and understand the confusion..... but if 8 out of 10 cancer doctors are saying the same thing about an emerging idea in cancer treatment i'm likely going with the 8 rather than the 2.
This all boils down to trust in the end. We don't have the knowledge or expertise to tease out all of the nuances involved so we have to rely on those that do.
Fair point, but this isn't cancer research. This isn't the first SARS virus that humankind encounters, whether it's a little different or not...
Normal adult humans are absolutely capable of deducing information from data that the 'experts' are opining on on TV, and they are also capable of recognizing discrepancies between the two. I'm not saying everyone is capable of doing cancer research but the abundance of information and knowledge available in this day and age has changed the dichotomy a bit between the experts and the general populace.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 10:06 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:33 am to Pelican fan99
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stunned at the amount of people who just don’t even blink an eye at the harsh reaction so many people experience from the vaccine
This isn’t normal
YES IT IS! YES IT IS, ANTI-VAXXER!
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:33 am to pawpoints19
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This all boils down to trust in the end. We don't have the knowledge or expertise to tease out all of the nuances involved so we have to rely on those that do.
Can you read? Because I can read and I don't have to entrust my ability to understand or my ability to accumulate knowledge on a subject to anyone.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:33 am to TheBoo
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Normal adult humans are absolutely capable of deducing information from data that the 'experts' are opining on on TV,
See this is where we disagree.
Most people don't understand probability and statistics.
Go to vegas and ask non-pro's. People that haven't studied it don't really get the notion of win probabilities over time (like when to hit or double down).
Another example would be randomly flipping a non-weighted coin 10 times. Most people would think you have a 50% chance of getting heads at least once.... That's wrong and it takes an understanding of the math to know why.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:38 am to blackinthesaddle
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Can you read? Because I can read and I don't have to entrust my ability to understand or my ability to accumulate knowledge on a subject to anyone.
So let me ask you this... For you or anyone who's medical decisions you control... If you get covid and need medical attention will you decline any and all "experimental" therapies like Regeneron or the others?
If not, how are they diffferent from the vaccine?
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:39 am to pawpoints19
quote:8 out of 10 doctors are NOT saying CV19A confers no immunity to CV19delta. In fact, I'd hope those numbers would be at least flipped.
I hear you and understand the confusion..... but if 8 out of 10 cancer doctors are saying
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 9:46 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:41 am to pawpoints19
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So let me ask you this... For you or anyone who's medical decisions you control... If you get covid and need medical attention will you decline any and all "experimental" therapies like Regeneron or the others? If not, how are they diffferent from the vaccine?
One requires you to make a decision regardless if you are ever infected or in an impact group. Just living you have what a 99.8%+ chance of living.
We know reasonable well who is significantly impacted.
Why would anyone recommend preventive medical drugs which the vast majority have no use for?
This is like prescribing everyone birth control.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 9:45 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:41 am to caliegeaux
Pfizer lot beginning with EW.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:42 am to pawpoints19
quote:Correct.
Most people don't understand probability and statistics.
It's the major reason Australia is shutdown over these numbers:
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:44 am to Crimson Wraith
Thanks for posting this. I had Covid back in March and it is getting harder and harder to not get vaccinated because of work and some social gatherings. I'm tired of trying to explain that having had COVID is most likely better than the vaccine.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:51 am to PhDoogan
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:57 am to furrydogs
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Thanks for posting this. I had Covid back in March and it is getting harder and harder to not get vaccinated because of work and some social gatherings. I'm tired of trying to explain that having had COVID is most likely better than the vaccine.
especially, as we know for 100% certainty that vaccinated people are spreading the virus. I wonder when a study will be attempted of people who have recovered from Covid and are not vaccinated to see if they are spreading the virus as are the vaccinated people.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:58 am to klrstix
quote:Indeed.
some of the references in this article seem to indicate T & B cell memory could last for years based upon some of their SARS studies...
quote:But at this stage, based on information available I'd not be confident advising someone 1 1/2 to 2yrs out that they are likely immune. I certainly think it is a possibility.
It may be at some point that we'll find immunity conferred beyond that period, but currently it's not evident.
Put another way, it is a significantly higher possibility than no immunity being conferred with CV19 infection.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 10:00 am to pawpoints19
quote:
So let me ask you this... For you or anyone who's medical decisions you control... If you get covid and need medical attention will you decline any and all "experimental" therapies like Regeneron or the others?
If not, how are they diffferent from the vaccine?
Absolutely not. I'm able to understand, as is most people, the difference between the vaccines and their mechanisms and therapeutics and their mechanisms.
The point isn't my ability to make personal decisions on this, it's the government trying to control the decision you make based on incorrect or influenced information.
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