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re: OK. A little education on security clearances
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:35 pm to foshizzle
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:35 pm to foshizzle
Problem with that is Brennan held classified reports on the Russian probe. Now he speaks on CNN with certainty that Trump colluded. So that is walking a very fine line of giving out classified information.
Even still if he is lying then it's a threat to the nation. If he is telling the truth it's a threat to the nation because he cannot divulge an opinion on classified information.
He has committed a crime multiple times though and that is more than reason enough to end his clearance.
If can have security clearance revoked due to smoking a joint and failing drug test then why cant the head of the CIA lose his clearance to lying to Congress under oath multiple times?
Even still if he is lying then it's a threat to the nation. If he is telling the truth it's a threat to the nation because he cannot divulge an opinion on classified information.
He has committed a crime multiple times though and that is more than reason enough to end his clearance.
If can have security clearance revoked due to smoking a joint and failing drug test then why cant the head of the CIA lose his clearance to lying to Congress under oath multiple times?
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:38 pm to Sp0rtsBa11
I'm not quite sure it works the same way for people at that level in the beltway though...
Did Hillary have a need to know when she was no longer Secretary of State but in posession of SAP information?
Did Hillary have a need to know when she was no longer Secretary of State but in posession of SAP information?
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:38 pm to BayouBlitz
quote:Thats not exactly 100% correct.
You don't forfeit your clearance when you leave a job. Its not tied to a job, but to a person. When you eave a job, you don't turn in a Security Clearance like a sheriffs badge. That's not at all how it works.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:45 pm to VOLhalla
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How the Hell is Boeing supposed to design the next generation of military jet without its engineers having security clearances?
Fine line there is between Aeronautical Engineers and Deep state spooks.
Wow!
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:48 pm to BayouBlitz
Can we all agree that the higher the level of clearance the more stringent requirements are to hold said clearance?
So here we have the former head of the CIA. Lied to Congress multiple times under 2 administrations. Hell the Washington Post even called for him to be fired 4 years ago. He is in TV talking about a still classified case that he held classified knowledge on.
You simply dont get to keep your clearance after shite like that...
So here we have the former head of the CIA. Lied to Congress multiple times under 2 administrations. Hell the Washington Post even called for him to be fired 4 years ago. He is in TV talking about a still classified case that he held classified knowledge on.
You simply dont get to keep your clearance after shite like that...
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:52 pm to Sp0rtsBa11
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It's not like anyone with a security clearance can just waltz in to any government agency and start rifling through classified documents.
Exactly. "Need to know" is still important.
I have a Secret clearance but that does not mean I have access to Secret information that I happen to be curious about.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:59 pm to foshizzle
But you are not a former head of cia either. The network guy is not going to walk in the same circles as Brennan. If he wants data he can start a consulting firm and has the right contacts to request the data.
For the rest of the community though no you leave your job and it eventually expires if you do not have it renewed. Of course get a dui and it can be revoked as well. I have seen that done
For the rest of the community though no you leave your job and it eventually expires if you do not have it renewed. Of course get a dui and it can be revoked as well. I have seen that done
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 10:30 pm to Catman88
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If he wants data he can start a consulting firm and has the right contacts to request the data.
Sure, he can start a firm. But he would still have to win a contract that will likely be hotly disputed.
The fact remains that having a security clearance does not mean he has access to anything.
And it isn't like you've established he has hostile intent to the US to begin with. He simply passed a background check, nothing more than that.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 10:31 pm to Catman88
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You simply dont get to keep your clearance after shite like that...
I think you’re confusing clearance with access. Without access, clearances don’t mean shite.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 10:40 pm to Brodeur
Just a fwiw, but need to know was waived for many if not most of the high level former intel people like Brennan..if they worked on it they have access, need to know or not. McMaster issues the waivers.
No need to know
No need to know
Posted on 8/20/18 at 10:44 pm to foshizzle
He was a head of department it's not as clear cut as you think.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 11:26 pm to BayouBlitz
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Security Clearances expire, and the holder must go through a new application process to keep it. They are never revoked, unless the holder breaks the rules of maintaining a clearance.
You don’t do a new application. You go through an adjudication process that is an abbreviated version of your initial SSBI.
A TS expires in 5 yrs and is downgraded to a S unless a person is under adjudication. If under adjudication, the clearance remains active until the clearance is granted or denied.
Clearances are almost always suspended before revoked. The clearance holder must be notified as to why their clearance is suspended. The suspension lasts 6 months and the clearance will hen be reinstated or revoked. If revoked, the holder has a right to an appeal.
After being secret squirrel, then a HUMINT instructor, then an analyst, then a PM, I worked for OPM. It sucked...
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 8/20/18 at 11:31 pm to touchdownjeebus
I haven’t read the whole thread. Has anyone described why Brennan should keep his clearance?
Posted on 8/20/18 at 11:43 pm to BayouBlitz
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You don't forfeit your clearance when you leave a job
You should forfeit it
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:09 am to HubbaBubba
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Each instance of granting clearance involves a thorough background check. That typically cannot happen in the time frame you obviously think it can. It's not like a light switch that you turn ON and OFF.
You think that is a case for people to keep their security clearance?
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:17 am to imjustafatkid
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have no problem with people getting clearances back if they need them for their jobs, but they should lose them when they leave their jobs.
So fricking stupid. Brennan possesses 25 years of experience with classified material and geopolitical expertise. If any of Trump's team needed information on something Brennan would know about, he would need clearance to view classified info.
The problem here is that most of you are average intelligence and you worship an average intelligence leader. When he says something you just take it and run with it and echo it into eternity. Now you have Jared Kushner in this situation room and not Brennan (hypothetical).
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 12:18 am
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:27 am to Ebbandflow
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o fricking stupid. Brennan possesses 25 years of experience with classified material and geopolitical expertise. If any of Trump's team needed information on something Brennan would know about, he would need clearance to view classified info.
You think trump would go to Brennan? Good lord. You are well below average intelligence.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:38 am to BBONDS25
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You think trump would go to Brennan? Good lord. You are well below average intelligence.
See you don't think there's even the possibility that John Brennan's insight, after 25 years of service, might be useful and some sort of operation? You really can't be that stupid.
You're trying so hard for a win here and it's just making you look really stupid.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:51 am to Ebbandflow
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See you don't think there's even the possibility that John Brennan's insight, after 25 years of service, might be useful and some sort of operation? You really can't be that stupid.
Name one situation where his insight would be unique. Again. You are below average intelligence. All you know is what cnn tells you.
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 12:52 am
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