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re: OK. A little education on security clearances
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:53 am to Ebbandflow
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:53 am to Ebbandflow
quote:Virtually no possibility whatsoever. Fact
See you don't think there's even the possibility that John Brennan's insight, after 25 years of service, might be useful and some sort of operation?
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Posted on 8/21/18 at 1:07 am to BBONDS25
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Name one situation where his insight would be unique. Again. You are below average intelligence. All you know is what cnn tells you.
I don't watch CNN. I would think pertaining to almost anything in the Middle East he probably knows quite a bit more than any of Trumps crack team.
You know how I know you're a much dumber human being than I am? Because you are sitting here trying to argue with me about what a man who worked in the CIA for 25 years knows or has knowledge of.
You don't work with classified information and oversee operations for 25 years and not have a great deal of expertise. But you are so pathetically devoid of self-awareness that you just don't want it to be true so you're outright making up the idea that he couldn't possibly know that much or be useful to a sitting president. Pathetic.
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 1:13 am
Posted on 8/21/18 at 1:48 am to BayouBlitz
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You need a Security Clearance to enter certain federal facilities, or certain parts or buildings of some federal facilities.
Not completely, 100% accurate, but accurate enough. In some cases you need more than a clearance (you have to be read on). In other cases, visitor credentials can get you a tour (maybe the certain parts is okay), as long as everything is removed from plain site.
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ou also need a Security Clearance to view or possess documents or info deemed "secure."
Let's not toss about imprecise terms. The word you're looking for here is "classified." Documents are classified at the Confidential, Secret and Top Secret levels. There are also special access programs that are slotted above top secret, but essentially are accessible to those with TS/SCI type clearances (and in some cases with a lifestyle polygraph).
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If I was an architect, and I was contracted to design renovations at a secure facility, I would need a Security Clearance.
True.
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The majority of Security Clearance holders work for PRIVATE COMPANIES.
I don't "know" this to be true, but I certainly don't doubt it.
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You don't forfeit your clearance when you leave a job. Its not tied to a job, but to a person. When you eave a job, you don't turn in a Security Clearance like a sheriffs badge. That's not at all how it works.
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So please, enough with the "Everyone should have their clearance taken when they leave their job".
If they don't have need to know, as you suggest, they why do they seem to have so much access? Particularly folks with political agendas.
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That is ignorant
Meh. We've diluted what it means to have classified information. We've overclassified too much in the way of documents and issued way, way too many clearances.
If we tightened everything up, this wouldn't be as big of a problem. If folks who maintained their clearances would shut up about it, it wouldn't be a big problem.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 5:55 am to BayouBlitz
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BayouBlitz
A lot of "no shite Dick Tracy" in your post but you left one thing out; some entity has to sponsor your clearance, either the Government or private company. If no one does, then it expires naturally.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 6:00 am to BayouBlitz
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A little education on security clearances
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Top Secret Clearances are simply a level above Security Clearances.
You apparently need some.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 8:48 am to Catman88
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you can have clearance revoked with a felony
Of course, because then you no longer would pass the background check.
It still is not the same thing as having access.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:12 am to BayouBlitz
quote:Yup
Everyone should have their clearance taken when they leave their job
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:18 am to thelawnwranglers
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You should forfeit it
Then the intelligence apparatus would grind to a halt and the cost for cleared people would skyrocket.
Let’s say a guy leaves a position as an analyst or an SSO and decides he wants to work for a different organization. He leaves and, according to your perspective, he loses his clearance. Now he needs a complete SSBI, which is about 35-65k and suffers a backlog of about 8-12 months. Not only that, but now the mission he left is unfulfilled because that person will have to go through an SSBI, and the mission he is going to is left unfulfilled.
Commanders can grant an interim to personnel, but that is less secure than simply allowing the current system to do its job. Not only that, but the command would be burdened with issuing interim clearances and it would create yet another layer of red tape.
The answer isn’t as simple as forfeiting clearances when you leave a position. We literally would not be able to function as an IC.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:50 am to touchdownjeebus
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Then the intelligence apparatus would grind to a halt and the cost for cleared people would skyrocket.
Let’s say a guy leaves a position as an analyst or an SSO and decides he wants to work for a different organization. He leaves and, according to your perspective, he loses his clearance. Now he needs a complete SSBI, which is about 35-65k and suffers a backlog of about 8-12 months. Not only that, but now the mission he left is unfulfilled because that person will have to go through an SSBI, and the mission he is going to is left unfulfilled.
Commanders can grant an interim to personnel, but that is less secure than simply allowing the current system to do its job. Not only that, but the command would be burdened with issuing interim clearances and it would create yet another layer of red tape.
The answer isn’t as simple as forfeiting clearances when you leave a position. We literally would not be able to function as an IC.
These are all good points but they pertain to those areas where everyone works in a secure area. Overall this applies to a pretty small percentage of the population with clearances.
We need a massive contraction of the IC. Make it painful. I've see people move around and retain clearance, and the only reason for the clearance was to accompany students over to get an intro to PROPHET. No need for that at all.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:37 am to BBONDS25
Bond all you do is sit around the Poli Board all day and night (a pathetic amount of time tbh) and throw around baseless partisan insults. You seriously don't have anything better to do?
It's really pretty sad.
It's really pretty sad.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 1:32 pm to starsandstripes
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These are all good points but they pertain to those areas where everyone works in a secure area. Overall this applies to a pretty small percentage of the population with clearances. We need a massive contraction of the IC. Make it painful. I've see people move around and retain clearance, and the only reason for the clearance was to accompany students over to get an intro to PROPHET. No need for that at all.
I don’t know if I agree with a massive contraction, but there are a few folks with clearances for no damn reason. I once saw an officer bitch because his clearance classification was not as high as some of his subordinates.
He didn’t need a higher damn clearance, but had clearance envy.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 4:06 pm to touchdownjeebus
Seems everyone is missing the entire point and reason that his clearance was pulled. Trump did not pull everyone's clearance. Why? Because not everyone is an enemy of the state/traitor.
Should a traitor that has sold or given away top secret info have their security clearance pulled? Should it only be pulled after their trial?
Should a traitor that has sold or given away top secret info have their security clearance pulled? Should it only be pulled after their trial?
Posted on 8/24/18 at 11:25 am to BayouBlitz
quote:Well, we all know a government system never needs addressed.
That is ignorant, and not how the system works at all.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 12:26 pm to BayouBlitz
Yeah, great job listing all the reasons someone may need a security clearance. That's not what's going on with these Swamp Skunks who leave political office or employment with the federal government and monetize that security clearance privilege. 
This post was edited on 8/24/18 at 12:27 pm
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