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re: Police go to wrong house, shoot and kill homeowner
Posted on 4/15/23 at 10:15 pm to AUstar
Posted on 4/15/23 at 10:15 pm to AUstar
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But you can't just run out like Rambo and kill someone just because they knock on your door. That's not how it works.
So you are clairvoyant knowing the innocent man was coming out to "kill someone"?
Maybe the man was startled and went in complete defense of family mode? But tell us nostradamus his motive for defending his home.
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 10:19 pm to Taurus
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Maybe the man was startled and went in complete defense of family mode?
Protecting them from what? A knock on the door?
Posted on 4/15/23 at 10:19 pm to AUstar
The homeowner didn't fire a single shot. Although he would have been perfectly justified in doing it. The government doesn't jist get to barge onto your property without cause or warrant. It's people like you that's going to send the pendulum swinging at warp speed and LEO's are going to quickly find themselves in a world of hurt if this behavior continues. Cops do not care about the Constitution or conservatives. The way acted during covid removed all doubt of that.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 10:20 pm to TerryDawg03
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If he doesn't come to his door pointing a firearm at three LEOs, 99.9% chance that there is no shooting.
If they don’t go to the wrong address, there’s 100% chance that there’s no shooting. If they don’t pull their triggers, there’s a decent chance there’s no shooting.
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These LEOs didn't know who was coming for them.
They did know they were at the wrong address.
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A lot of the posters in this thread (not necessarily you, 808) are wanting to grab the torches and pitchforks before they know all of the details. Asking people to pump the brakes and let the details come to the surface has somehow been a huge deal.
There’s a greater than 50% chance that they are not charged. If they are charged, there’s a greater than 80% chance they are not convicted.
If the roles were reversed, those numbers would be, too.
If police had handled their business and instituted some common sense reforms in the last 20 years, there would be far less impetus for the “police are corrupt” ideas and all the other internet nonsense thrown around.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 10:33 pm to AUstar
Question.
Have you ever been so tired, fallen asleep, wakened by some "noise" not understanding what, where, who is causing noise or commotion? Kinda lose track of time of day, what the hell is going on? i.e. hard sleep only to be startled awake by outside bs.
You will be in complete control of who is making the noise(banging on door) in the middle of the night while your family is inside? You are not special force material pal. Lose the defense of LEO and come clean on how tied you are to LE overall. You are. Prove me wrong.
Have you ever been so tired, fallen asleep, wakened by some "noise" not understanding what, where, who is causing noise or commotion? Kinda lose track of time of day, what the hell is going on? i.e. hard sleep only to be startled awake by outside bs.
You will be in complete control of who is making the noise(banging on door) in the middle of the night while your family is inside? You are not special force material pal. Lose the defense of LEO and come clean on how tied you are to LE overall. You are. Prove me wrong.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 10:38 pm to Dex Morgan
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The government doesn't jist get to barge onto your property without cause or warrant.
People have a right to knock on your door. In order for it to be self-defense, you have to first assess that someone is meaning you bodily harm. A knock on the door is not that. These Cops didn't have a battering ram and were not forcing entry. All they did was knock.
Your argument seems to be that you can kill anyone who comes and knocks on your door. What if it was a pizza delivery guy at the wrong address? Does he deserve death? What if it was a little old lady next door asking for help for her elderly husband? What if it was one of those annoying Jehovah's Witness people? Do they, too, deserve death?
Posted on 4/15/23 at 10:41 pm to AUstar
They were not just politely knocking on the door you dumb frick.
This post was edited on 4/15/23 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 4/15/23 at 10:45 pm to AUstar
Are you allowed to answer your door with a firearm in hand? If so, then he did nothing legally wrong and the cops murdered a guy due to their incompetence.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 11:05 pm to Taurus
Most cops aren’t very smart and they are just dreaming about being able to fire their gun at someone. This story is a good example.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 11:25 pm to Taurus
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So, are you tied to LE agencies and/or ties to those that are LEO? Your defense of this indefensible killing of an innocent homeowner because of complete LEO incompetence is weird.
Come clean. You have some ties here.
I have zero ties to LEO, which is the big irony here. After 2020 and all of the "Defund the police" nonsense, I decided that I wanted to become more familiar with our local law enforcement. So I've done ride-alongs and a couple of use of force exercises. The extent of my ties is simply being proactive in my community.
My stance really comes from James: "Let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger; for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God."
This is a horrible incident, and based on the body cam footage, it looks like these LEOs made the wrong call. But I'm not going to cast judgment on them after I've only had what doesn't even really represent a true sample of what they go through with patrols, house calls, and use of force training. It's impossible to know what it feels like to walk up to a car or a house and not know what's going to happen until you've experienced it. And even though it was only a simulator, having to try to make split-second judgment calls that could result in things like this is extremely difficult. Maybe I didn't articulate it or elaborate as much as I could have.
The amount of outrage in this thread based solely on body cam footage wasn't justified, IMO. I believe that the whole incident should be investigated, and these LEOs should face the appropriate discipline and legal consequences.
But when I offered up a lack of immediate judgment on whether the officers deserve any modicum of understanding because none of us actually know the full story, and none of us were in their shoes at the time, I was downvoted into oblivion and called a bootlicker, which is again ironic, because I'm a huge critic of centralized government.
Posted on 4/16/23 at 12:05 am to Taurus
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Have you ever been so tired, fallen asleep, wakened by some "noise" not understanding what, where, who is causing noise or commotion? Kinda lose track of time of day, what the hell is going on?
Yep, and I always blindly charge at it gun drawn.
Racoon, neighbors kid, police, robber? Doesn't matter, I'm not sparing the extra seconds to figure out what is what.
From the video, they simply knocked at the front door. They didn't "bang" on it, they knocked...
Honest question, have you ever knocked on someone's door late at night?
Posted on 4/16/23 at 12:15 am to Azkiger
You're a lying liberal that doesn't believe in private property rights or the 2nd Amendment. You also have no idea what sort of neighborhood they may be living in. Someone waking you up out of a deep sleep at an ungodly hour is not going to be met with a smile and hugs. Especially if you are living in a rough part of town.
A hormone raged high school kid working part time as a pizza delivery driver can get the right address. Cops routinely fail this simple task. There is zero excuse for this.
A hormone raged high school kid working part time as a pizza delivery driver can get the right address. Cops routinely fail this simple task. There is zero excuse for this.
Posted on 4/16/23 at 12:18 am to TerryDawg03
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This is a horrible incident, and based on the body cam footage, it looks like these LEOs made the wrong call. But I'm not going to cast judgment on them after I've only had what doesn't even really represent a true sample of what they go through with patrols, house calls, and use of force training. It's impossible to know what it feels like to walk up to a car or a house and not know what's going to happen until you've experienced it.
The thing is what they experience on patrols , house calls and training is irrelevant in judgement of this specific situation. Everything anyone needs to know is in the video and it is very clear. These officers made not one but a series of catastrophic mistakes that ruined the lives multiple families within a matter of seconds.
This post was edited on 4/16/23 at 12:19 am
Posted on 4/16/23 at 12:24 am to Dex Morgan
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You also have no idea what sort of neighborhood they may be living in.
Neither do you dick lick.
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Someone waking you up out of a deep sleep at an ungodly hour is not going to be met with a smile and hugs.
Like I said, it doesn't matter what I hear, racoon, neighbor's kid, cops, robber, I'm running at it gun drawn. To hell with giving myself the extra few seconds I need to get my bearings straight.
Why are you disagreeing?
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A hormone raged high school kid working part time as a pizza delivery driver can get the right address. Cops routinely fail this simple task
Pizza delivery gets the address correct more often than cops... Do you have any stats to back this up?
Posted on 4/16/23 at 12:40 am to Azkiger
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From the video, they simply knocked at the front door. They didn't "bang" on it, they knocked...
Banged on door. Regardless. Middle of the night and weirdos knocking on my door? And they would not identify themselves AND they knew they had no clue what address they were at. Well, the lead LEO. He was the epic idiot. And the epic idiot LEO followers shot w/o warning.
I wonder how many bullets the victim took? Too many obviously, but I want to know how many he took.
The wife? Yeah, she is a threat too, eh?
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Honest question, have you ever knocked on someone's door late at night?
Nope. Never! No need unless I'm dying/seriously injured and need help that I can't help myself.
Posted on 4/16/23 at 2:30 am to Drizzt
It’s worse than that - most police departments reject the ones that score too highly. Can’t have independent thinkers running around. And SCOTUS affirmed their right to do that.
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