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re: Pornography is not conservative
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:15 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:15 am to Pettifogger
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trying to win a larger game
What actual game is anyone trying to win?
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Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:16 am to IceTiger
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I found the guy media propaganda works on
I think we're on different wavelengths here
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:17 am to anc
Trump banged porn stars while married. Mind you I don’t give a frick. But hypocrisy is a market firmly cornered by the left. Let’s differentiate ourselves from that.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:17 am to Y.A. Tittle
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There are plenty of "conservative" forums where I have no doubt an active pornographer would be perfectly welcome.
for the record, that is literally this site
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:19 am to anc
Explain to me what conservatives want to to do the porn industry. If the answer is nothing than what are we fighting about? If it’s to shut it down or regulate it further then you’re not really a conservative, you are a religious social conservative. Just understand that religious social conservatives will never be successful at anything in government, including winning elections.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:20 am to cssamerican
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you’re not really a conservative, you are a religious social conservative.
Can someone point me to this time in history where this distinction existed in practice and in a meaningful way?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:22 am to Pettifogger
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Can someone point me to this time in history where this distinction existed in practice and in a meaningful way?
it could easily be argued, 2016-2020
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:22 am to Pettifogger
The media has pushed this as a way of making social conservatives a pejorative.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:23 am to cssamerican
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If it’s to shut it down or regulate it further then you’re not really a conservative, you are a religious social conservative.
I'm not religious, but what's wrong with "regulating it further"?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:23 am to Pettifogger
There are a lot of conservatives that don’t push their religious beliefs, the simplest example I can think of is freedom of religion. Most conservatives don’t want to outlaw Islam or Buddhism.
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 11:24 am
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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it could easily be argued, 2016-2020
I'm ok with this answer. Although Trump pandered to social conservatives to win, so I'm not even sure if it's true. Regardless, I would concede the point if the point is "the distinction is new"
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:26 am to Mo Jeaux
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I'm not religious, but what's wrong with "regulating it further"?
Because bigger government is usually never the answer. What do you regulate further?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:26 am to cssamerican
quote:You've convinced me. I'm going to abandon my convictions and principles for the sake of gaining and maintaining power in this country.
Just understand that religious social conservatives will never be successful at anything in government, including winning elections.
Wait... am I a leftist now?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:27 am to Pettifogger
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Can someone point me to this time in history where this distinction existed in practice and in a meaningful way?
There has always been a difference between Conservatism in a political context, and social conservative principles. There is a ton of material written about it in connection with the 18th century revolutions in Europe. In that context, you'll see the comparison as "big C" vs. "little c" conservatism.
I get it if you think they are indistinct in modern practice or don't care about the nuance (I would disagree and point to Donald Trump's election as proof of that), but they simply are separate things.
Your refusal to accept that there are in fact a group of people who identify as Conservative and yet do not identify as "conservative" on social issues such as drugs, abortion, etc. doesn't mean that those groups don't exist. In fact, I would argue that educated white people in suburbia (where the GOP is losing ground) are exactly those type of people.
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 11:28 am
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:27 am to cssamerican
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There are a lot of conservatives that don’t push their religious beliefs, the simplest example I can think of is freedom of religion. Most conservatives don’t want to outlaw Islam or Buddhism.
While I don't think you can really pick a point in time where Christianity wasn't a driving force (if not the driving force) behind conservatism, I think it's easier to substitute other religions in for Christianity in a vacuum.
I think you can conceivably replace Christianity with some other gauge of morality in conservatism and it generally works. I don't think there is any real historical precedent for this idea of some secular political conservatism. There are a lot of secular conservatives, but they've typically needed the religious/moral components to get elected, promote policy, etc.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:27 am to cssamerican
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Because bigger government is usually never the answer.
What year is it?
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What do you regulate further?
You're the one who brought it up. Are you for no restrictions on pornography, period?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:27 am to cssamerican
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Because bigger government is usually never the answer.
So you would argue the legalization of all drugs is conservative. Cool.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:29 am to Indefatigable
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Your refusal to accept that there are in fact a group of people who identify as Conservative and yet do not identify as "conservative" on social issues such as drugs, abortion, etc. doesn't mean that those groups don't exist.
Less government and lower taxes isn’t conservatism. It’s just country club Republicanism.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:29 am to the808bass
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Less government and lower taxes isn’t conservatism.
I didn't say anything about either--not really sure what you are getting at there.
Take abortion for example to show that the two are not always lockstep, despite the appearance of overlap and the convenience of joining forces in our two-party system. A strict political Conservative would likely take the federalist view that such issues should be decided at the state level. A die-hard religious/social conservative would likely prefer an outright prohibition of the act.
I don't understand the opposition to their being different shades of conservatism. There is certainly no argument that liberals can be subdivided into varying degrees and aspects of liberalism.
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 11:33 am
Posted on 7/19/21 at 11:30 am to Indefatigable
That pretty much sums up “political conservatism.”
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