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re: PPI blows through expectations - over 3x higher than expected
Posted on 8/14/25 at 6:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 8/14/25 at 6:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I'm a grown man and willing to pay more if it get jobs back to the US.
I dont understand how a grown man cannot see how universal and long term tariffs harm the consumer.
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Posted on 8/14/25 at 7:01 pm to VABuckeye
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Which will take years and years to implement. It’s a very long process.
That's dependent on the type of business. However, jobs are created immediately. From planners to architects to construction crews...etc.
Samsung completed the remodeling of its first U.S.-based home appliance manufacturing facility in just seven months. The plant, located in Newberry County, South Carolina, officially opened on January 12, 2018.
The semiconductor plant will take 2 years to complete.
They both have to be built.
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I’m not so confident in this.
Look it up during Trump's first term
Posted on 8/14/25 at 7:04 pm to GRTiger
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Before Trump, did you expect that the economic correction would be painful, or did you predict that someone could fix our economy with no disruptions? Or were you in the camp that the economy did not need fixing?
It needs fixing and there will be pain attempting to do so. I have zero problems with trying to reshore certain industries.. say medicine for example. What gives me pause is that the tariffs aren’t targeted to drive that point home. So everyone is getting hammered which doesn’t make sense to me. Now you could say that hammering all industries from country X is the very point because we need to inflict maximum damage to bring nations to heel in the greater scheme of things. But in doing so you’re causing a lot of avoidable damage to existing businesses when not all of the products they purchase are going to come back here. We deal with this with our business.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 7:14 pm to GRTiger
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From my perspective it's not haphazard.
And it’s still ok to agree to disagree.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 7:20 pm to GRTiger
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General question to the group:
Before Trump, did you expect that the economic correction would be painful, or did you predict that someone could fix our economy with no disruptions? Or were you in the camp that the economy did not need fixing?
You are asking posters who are made about a 4 dollar increase on a swatch watch they will never buy but were silent on 20% inflation on everything
Thats TDS at its finest
Posted on 8/14/25 at 7:25 pm to SDVTiger
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SDVTiger
Will you be returning to the threads about the June surplus? Why has the magic tariff money dried up in July?
Posted on 8/14/25 at 7:26 pm to Ingeniero
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Will you be returning to the threads about the June surplus? Why has the magic tariff money dried up in July?
I will always be here to call out your crying
Posted on 8/15/25 at 2:20 pm to VABuckeye
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And to be clear we know what administration printed that money, sent checks to people, made PPP loans to businesses and opened the SBA for business for rubber stamped loans.
It started with Trump and then Biden more than followed through.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 2:49 pm to Diamondawg
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I'm a grown man and willing to pay more if it get jobs back to the US
As I have posted on this form at least 30 times, the average factory job in America pays $17 an hour.
Why are you willing for all Americans to pay more for products for a few million basically minimum wage jobs?
Help me understand this.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 3:13 pm to wackatimesthree
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Help me understand this.
Well they arent wanting ppl to make trinkets at 17hr
They want hightech manufacturing jobs. So it wont be a million jobs but they will be getting paid 100k +
Why do you not want that if you have to pay $4 more for your swatch
Make that make sense
Posted on 8/15/25 at 3:15 pm to SDVTiger
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They want hightech manufacturing jobs.
We have those.
Value added semi skilled or skilled jobs that pay better than basic assembly line work.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 3:17 pm to SDVTiger
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Well they arent wanting ppl to make trinkets at 17hr They want hightech manufacturing jobs
Then why are they tariffing trinkets?
Why don’t the tariffs only apply to the high-tech products that you’re referring to?
Posted on 8/15/25 at 3:22 pm to wackatimesthree
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Then why are they tariffing trinkets?
To rake in billions and to not allow Chyna to skirt arond them
Like Pengiun Ilsand that you morons didnt even realize why it was tariffed
Why do you love cheap chyna shite
Posted on 8/15/25 at 3:29 pm to wackatimesthree
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quote:I'm a grown man and willing to pay more if it get jobs back to the US As I have posted on this form at least 30 times, the average factory job in America pays $17 an hour. Why are you willing for all Americans to pay more for products for a few million basically minimum wage jobs? Help me understand this.
Less people on govt dole. More entry level jobs and opportunities for young people. More dollars in your neighbors pocket, which they can spend on other American businesses. Upward pressure on wages. More net positive citizens vs taker citizens. A REAL economy and not a zombie one only trotting along because of they money printing machine
I keep bringing up 37 trillion in debt, and yall keep scoffing at it
Posted on 8/15/25 at 3:31 pm to scottydoesntknow
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Less people on govt dole. More entry level jobs and opportunities for young people. More dollars in your neighbors pocket, which they can spend on other American businesses.
We've had shortages for 4 years and they didnt take those jobs.
They arent going to take them in the future either.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:06 am to SDVTiger
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To rake in billions
From American consumers.
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Like Pengiun Ilsand that you morons didnt even realize why it was tariffed
I don't know what that means.
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Why do you love cheap chyna shite
Because I need medical care sometimes and that's where all of the supplies to deliver it come from currently.
As well as anything else made with plastic, which could be anything from an auto part to piping for construction.
The "trinket" narrative is just for ridiculous idiots like yourself.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
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In theory the tariffs will be in full effect by then, and prices will continue to rise.
I dont understand how a grown man cannot see how universal and long term tariffs harm the consumer.
There is great harm in exporting domestic production along with its associated skills to other countries for cheaper consumer goods.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:24 am to scottydoesntknow
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I keep bringing up 37 trillion in debt, and yall keep scoffing at it
That's because it has nothing to do with the question. We keep scoffing because you keep posting this list of non-sequiturs, like that one.
We're 37 Trillion in debt because Congress spends more money than we take in. You know what most of it gets spent on? SS and Medicare, and it's not close.
When you post stuff like that I don't even know what your argument is. Are you saying that we will raise enough money through tariffs (by taxing Americans) to pay down the $37 Trillion?
We won't. Not unless we stop spending so much. And again, what we're spending so much on is SS/Medicare. What do you think the chances are that we will significantly cut either of those programs?
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Less people on govt dole.
There's another one. We could cut down the government dole right now. We don't need tariffs or more $17 an hour jobs to do it.
And unless we do, having a few million more $17 an hour jobs aren't going to make any difference in the welfare rolls.
Do you have any idea how much welfare benefits are worth? I looked up North Carolina and the average welfare package is worth $51,000. And NC is the 9th lowest in the nation...in some liberal states the welfare package is worth over $100,000.
So why would someone voluntarily get off welfare worth $51,000 to work a job worth $35,000?
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More entry level jobs and opportunities for young people
Companies can't fll the entry level jobs they have available now.
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More dollars in your neighbors pocket, which they can spend on other American businesses.
Not if they get off welfare. They'll have less if they do that.
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Upward pressure on wages.
You'll have to explain that one. I can't even imagine what your logic is on that one.
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More net positive citizens vs taker citizens.
Not unless you take away the welfare. Which you could do today without creating a situation in which all Americans would be paying more.
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A REAL economy and not a zombie one only trotting along because of they money printing machine
LOL. Do REAL economies rely on artificial economic government engineering?
Dude, even if these tariffs worked out the way you (inexplicably) necessarily think they will, it's still just a wealth redistribution program. Just like Obamacare was/is. Which is just a subtle form of socialism.
You want all Americans to pay a little more so that some Americans can benefit, under the theory that ALL Americans will be better off for the redistribution.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why populism always appeals to and reduces back to socialism.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:29 am to Auburn1968
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There is great harm in exporting domestic production along with its associated skills to other countries for cheaper consumer goods.
If you're talking about certain specific products that could affect national security, I concede that argument.
But there is no reason to screw up the entire economy in order to make sure we have those products made here.
You simply government contract those products out to domestic suppliers.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:32 am to Auburn1968
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There is great harm in exporting domestic production
Thats too general. How does it hurt us for the CHinese to mfg cheap trinkets?
We ditched low value for higher value mfg because we are smarter than dumbasses who dont know the difference.
This post was edited on 8/16/25 at 9:34 am
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