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Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:17 pm to
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:17 pm to
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I hate my property taxes too, but Police Departments, Fire Departments, school districts, parks, and Street Departments aren't free.


Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
39571 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:23 pm to
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guess you are against the following:

fire protection (that keeps your fire rating low which in turn keeps your homeowners insurance about 80 - 100% lower than it would be without fire protection). this alone saves you more or as much as your property taxes cost

Police protection - self explanatory

public schools

roads and bridges built and maintained (yes, the state can condemn a bridge at the drop of a hat and close it. They're inspected every year and yes they do deteriorate. The pilings scour out from under them, concrete deteriorates, and metal rusts)

court systems to sue your dumbass neighbor, put your neighbor in jail when he peeping toms your wife while you're fricking her, put your neighbor in jail for killing your child, record the deed to the land you bought from your neighbor so some squatter couldn't take it from you, and last but not least record the legal marriage to your neighbor.

Ambulance protection to scrape you up off the pavement and carry you to a hospital when you have a wreck, or fly you to a trauma center if it's life threatening

parks of all kinds including baseball, soccer, gyms, etc (i'll concede that i guess you could do without these, but it does improve quality of life and attract better neighbors to move into your area)

economic development (yes, some of your taxes go toward attracting industry and other economic development into your area to provide jobs and other revenue to build up your community)

until you see the sausage being made, you don't realize what all your property taxes go towards providing. I see some folks saying "let the state provide the money", but the same amount of money would be needed to provide those services i mentioned. And the money would still have to come from somewhere, and that somewhere is your pocket, in the form of drastically higher sales taxes or drastically higher income taxes. Those services i mentioned can't be provided without revenue. AND, if it was left to the state to provide it, do you REALLY want politicians in Baton Rouge, Jackson, Montgomery, Nashville, or Little Rock (yeah, we'll leave out Texas because they're retarded anyway) controlling how much money your locality receives??? Powerful ones will direct the money where they want it to go, and the weaker represented areas won't get squat and will never have the opportunity to pull themselves up. And if you think lobbying is bad now, good lord, it would be a madhouse if you put parish and county appropriations at the state level.


Are there any other services you think gives you the right to steal from your neighbors to pay for and threaten to seize their land by penalty of prison or death if they resist?

There are legit ways to tax and raise money for these things. Property taxes and incomes taxes are not among them.





Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
9038 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:37 pm to
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Not really. That comes with its own set of problems. Who usually consumes the most? Young families. They'd get hit the hardest. Who consumes the least? Empty-nesters and retirees. It would shift the tax burden from the 50-somethings to the 20 and 30-somethings trying to raise kids.


I would bet it’s the wealthy that consume the most. Empty nesters and retirees wouldn’t consume the least either. They’re the ones with a lifetime of wealth built up and time to spend it traveling or whatever else. The poor would consume the least.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19597 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:39 pm to
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Sounds like it would even out long term

Financially, maybe. Good luck getting people to have kids when they're paying 40% sales tax on a pack of diapers though. Young families are at the start of their careers and earning less while the 50+ crowd has been promoted at work a few times. The older people will be at the top of their earnings while consuming the least that they have in their adult lives, thus paying the least taxes in a consumption-based system. Not trying to necessarily defend the taxation of property because I don't like it either, but I don't see an alternative unless you want no city or county services. Everything else has some pretty significant unintended consequences.
Posted by CHGAR
Haile, LA
Member since Aug 2022
1256 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:39 pm to
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I hate my property taxes too, but Police Departments, Fire Departments, school districts, parks, and Street Departments aren't free.


I don't want any of that crap.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
10301 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:44 pm to
HOA fees are another tax
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19597 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:46 pm to
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Empty nesters and retirees wouldn’t consume the least either.

I'm almost an empty-nester. My two older kids have been out for years and I only have my 16 year old left at home. So, I'm no longer buying food, toiletries, diapers, clothes, shoes, braces, furniture, dance lessons, etc. like I once did. Plus, my income is the highest that it's ever been. I'm just saving and investing because my daily consumption has dropped by over half. If the county/city/school district are going to try to get their pound of flesh from me at the cash register, it isn't happening.
Posted by BarnHater
Member since May 2015
8331 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:47 pm to
Taxation is theft.

Dont give one single frick about your roads, schools, etc. I didn’t ask for any of that to be built, so why should I pay for it? frick right off.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
39571 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:47 pm to
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Financially, maybe. Good luck getting people to have kids when they're paying 40% sales tax on a pack of diapers though.


Have you ever considered that maybe you have too much fricking government if you need to tax people that heavily?




Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19597 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:49 pm to
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Have you ever considered that maybe you have too much fricking government if you need to tax people that heavily?

I don't disagree, but that's a different topic. We're discussing taxation strategies to fund what we already have. Cutting services is a different discussion.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
39571 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:49 pm to
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I'm almost an empty-nester. My two older kids have been out for years and I only have my 16 year old left at home. So, I'm no longer buying food, toiletries, diapers, clothes, shoes, braces, furniture, dance lessons, etc. like I once did. Plus, my income is the highest that it's ever been. I'm just saving and investing because my daily consumption has dropped by over half. If the county/city/school district are going to try to get their pound of flesh from me at the cash register, it isn't happening.


Of course it's really about you gaining the ability to steal other peoples money in order to pay for the services you want.

Because you could just donate without being taxed if you want to spend your own money on these things.

Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
39571 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:51 pm to
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I don't disagree, but that's a different topic. We're discussing taxation strategies to fund what we already have. Cutting services is a different discussion.


You've named off many services that you believe you have the right to steal from your neighbors under the penalty of prison or death in order to have in this thread.

Those are different because you want them - so stealing from your neighbors to get it is fine by you.




Posted by 10thyrsr
Texas
Member since Oct 2020
1113 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:52 pm to
You ever hear of something called a "sales tax"
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19597 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:55 pm to
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You've named off many services that you believe you have the right to steal from your neighbors under the penalty of prison or death in order to have in this thread.

I pay $8,000/year in property taxes plus a little more in local sales taxes. In exchange for those I have Police and Fire services, EMS, parks, and, unlike some, my city does a really good job of keeping the streets nice and pothole-free. What exactly am I stealing from my neighbor?
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
39571 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:55 pm to
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Not really. That comes with its own set of problems. Who usually consumes the most? Young families. They'd get hit the hardest. Who consumes the least? Empty-nesters and retirees. It would shift the tax burden from the 50-somethings to the 20 and 30-somethings trying to raise kids.


Consumption tax means you pay taxes that are directly related to a service you are consuming.

For example a gas tax is a consumption tax. That tax is supposed to pay for roads. The people who use the roads the most buy the most gas, thus they pay the most taxes for the roads. If you are someone who doesn't drive - then you never pay gas tax directly.

It's not just a general tax all, that's just a sales tax.

Posted by BarnHater
Member since May 2015
8331 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:56 pm to
Why should you be paying for any of that? Did you ask to have any of those services specifically?

Sounds like you would love North Korea. Big government knows best on how to utilize your money according to you.
This post was edited on 11/26/25 at 9:57 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
39571 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:59 pm to
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I pay $8,000/year in property taxes plus a little more in local sales taxes. In exchange for those I have Police and Fire services, EMS, parks, and, unlike some, my city does a really good job of keeping the streets nice and pothole-free. What exactly am I stealing from my neighbor?


Because your $8000 a year doesn't pay for that. It's only possible because you are stealing from your neighbors and forcing them to contribute with the threat of having their property taken from them and/or send them to prison or kill them if they resist.

Otherwise you could donate for those services rather than using force to take it from your neighbors.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19597 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:11 pm to
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It's only possible because you are stealing from your neighbors and forcing them to contribute with the threat of having their property taken from them and/or send them to prison or kill them if they resist

If my neighbors don't want to pay for those things, then they can run and support candidates for City Council and School Board who promise to eliminate them entirely. They don't have guns to their heads. I seriously doubt that we'd elect someone who said "If elected, I will close the Police Department, Fire Department, School District, and we'll quit doing street maintenance and sewage system maintenance entirely."
Posted by FriedEggBowL
MS
Member since Nov 2021
1514 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:14 pm to
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There are legit ways to tax and raise money for these things.


let's hear your plan, big boy. i'm all ears
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
39571 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:16 pm to
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If my neighbors don't want to pay for those things, then they can run and support candidates for City Council and School Board who promise to eliminate them entirely. They don't have guns to their heads. I seriously doubt that we'd elect someone who said "If elected, I will close the Police Department, Fire Department, School District, and we'll quit doing street maintenance and sewage system maintenance entirely."


Oh, so as long as 51% of the people say it's ok to rob the neighbors, then it's ok to steal from your neighbors.

That's why democracy sucks.
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