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re: Question for CDC, but doctors are welcome to answer.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:27 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:27 pm to NC_Tigah
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Pharmacists are obviously part of the resistance.
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Some are. Some get their rocks off questioning and refusing Doctors Orders, and this is an opportunity. But most are just doing what they're told to keep their jobs.
Truth. Most don't give a shite either way. Many don't have a choice. And some like to act like that doctoral degree makes them a "real" doctor. I love those. Disclaimer-I am not anti-pharmD. My wife is one. She is not a Doctor. Hell, she don't even use the title. And I have zero issues with a legitimate question or a mistake. It's the "gotcha" bullshite some try that buys them a ticket for a explicative laden tutorial on the topic/medicine at hand, then a call to their supervisor and a request for them to send me a research paper on whatever the disagreement was along with all references/sources. If I'm wrong, I'll apologize and give them a $1000 cash. If they're wrong, and choose to double down, I ask they be dismissed before I file suit against them and their employer for telling a patient I made a critical mistake or committed malpractice. I've never had to pay, but a few have lost their jobs.
When I tell my patients that they can change doctors or pharmacies, I mean it. They change pharmacies. But this is a fairly rare occurrence and generally it is a mutually respectful and symbiotic relationship between MD's and pharmacists. Not as much as the old days, but I blame that on corporate medicine and pharmacy.
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Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:32 pm to NC_Tigah
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Aside from my medical license?
That would work for me under the assumption it’s true in an anonymous site! I believe you, but my gullibility is for others to determine!
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:35 pm to Tiguar
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Because Narcan works and ivermectin doesn’t.
Why would you falsely claim Ivermectin does not work and put people's lives at risk?
Go to TrialSiteNews and do your research.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:36 pm to obdobd918
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Why would you falsely claim Ivermectin does not work and put people's lives at risk?
Go to TrialSiteNews and do your research.
Can you walk us through your methodology of evaluating trials as good or not? What data points are you looking for to evaluate a study?
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:39 pm to mightyMick
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What are better alternatives?
Locally-owned stores.
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Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:41 pm to NC_Tigah
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150mcg/kg.
~10-15mg for an adult which I guess equates to about 0.5-0.75ml of 1.87% Ivermectin Horsepaste.
There is 10mg per cc/mL of the 1% injectable (taken orally)
Prevention:
15mg per 150-170 lbs body weight
18mg per 191-210 lbs body weight
Treatment after exposure:
35-55mg per 150-170 lbs body weight
40-60mg per 191-210 lbs body weight
Once upon discovering infection, once more 48hrs later.
I'm not prescribing, or recommending, just providing information.
At least one study has found it to be effective at lower dosages.
This post was edited on 8/22/21 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:43 pm to Tiger985
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Hundreds if not thousands of drugs are effective off label. This is very common in the practice of good medicine
Exactly. I ran a hospice and we used many things off label, and those on label in higher dosages than my hospital based counterparts would ever think about doing. I NEVER had a pharmacist question me once till Ivermectin.
Never.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:52 pm to Tiger985
Ivermectin is being used mostly in poor countries in Africa and Eastern Europe and South America because the people don't have access to the vaccines and if they get sick the pills we have in the USA are too pricey (and unavailable).
The whole invermectin thing I find bizzarre. Instead of taking a shot that works 99 percent of the time and taking drugs that work if the shot does not do it all, we are using cheapo third world substitutes to try to prove we are smarter than the people at Harvard and Oxford and elsewhere who did clinical testing on the actually effective drugs.
Talk about wanting to prove how smart you are! Aha, all the nerds say take this! Well guess what, I bet they are corrupt people - I'll take cheap veterinary medine instead like they do in Bolivia and Nigeria!
So go ahead use your African and Lain American stuff, Ill stick to the made in the USA stuff meant for people not animals.
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The whole invermectin thing I find bizzarre. Instead of taking a shot that works 99 percent of the time and taking drugs that work if the shot does not do it all, we are using cheapo third world substitutes to try to prove we are smarter than the people at Harvard and Oxford and elsewhere who did clinical testing on the actually effective drugs.
Talk about wanting to prove how smart you are! Aha, all the nerds say take this! Well guess what, I bet they are corrupt people - I'll take cheap veterinary medine instead like they do in Bolivia and Nigeria!
So go ahead use your African and Lain American stuff, Ill stick to the made in the USA stuff meant for people not animals.
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Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:54 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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Tiguar idiot hates Ivermectin as he obviously does, why in the hell would he even prescribe it.. For funzies? He is a liar and a shill. I don't belive that he is an actual physician either. He does not have the vocabulary.
I don't think he hates it. He's just not convinced of it's efficacy. He works inpt. They are seeing advanced cases. Their experiences will be different from those seeing large numbers of patients in an outpt setting. Everything should be open for question and debate.
Is it safe? Yes, if dosed and taken appropriately it is a benign medicine. As is HCQ, anyone that argues that it's not obviously hasn't been using it for 20 years in hundreds of pt's at any given time. I've never had to stop it in anyone for side effects other than nausea.
Do they work? In my experience, yes. Started very early and with the zinc, D3, vit C that most of my patients are already on. Of those I've treated, which by now numbers into the thousands, zero hospitalizations and zero deaths. I will concede that severe infections are still numerically rare. My results could just be dumb arse luck. But if I had to pick my 10 highest risk, sure to die from COVID if they got it patients, they all have. None hospitalized. None dead. shite, I can't believe all 10 are still alive anyway. Five got monoclonal antibodies. Five had it before it was available.
Now I have been aggressive with Vit D replacement, diabetic and hypertensive control well before COVID and started advising all pt's, but especially high risk ones to start zinc, D3, vit C since early Feb/late Jan 2020.
These are all safe and may work. I can say 100% they are safer than the vaccine. I see side effects from the vaccine daily. Newest one was a 41 yo with severe swelling from knee to ankle one day post vaccine. Foot not swollen. No redness, no vascular compromise, no DVT. It was like a localized reaction. Thin, healthy no prior issues. Went away spontaneously in 2 days.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 1:58 pm to SmackoverHawg
I would have gone with DVT for a thousand, Alex..
For his sake, glad it was not that!
For his sake, glad it was not that!
Posted on 8/22/21 at 2:00 pm to SmackoverHawg
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If anyone thinks Walmart, Walgreens, CVS etc. has your best interest at heart, you are a fricking idiot and deserve their shitty care and prices.
My wife owns a small town pharmacy. She communicates daily with a lot of chain pharmacists. She agrees that the chains are pretty bad but thinks most of their pharmacists are fairly decent people. In her opinion, they are caught up in the corporate mess of their chain employers.
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I tell people not to go to a chain.
Best advice I’ve seen. Local people need their meds filled by professionals that are not bound to corporate head quarters. It’s easy for customers to get lost in the shuffle with chain pharmacies.
This post was edited on 8/22/21 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 8/22/21 at 2:02 pm to Eurocat
quote:In other words, you haven't a feeble clue as to WTF you're talking about. Right?
The whole invermectin thing I find bizzarre. Instead of taking a shot that works 99 percent of the time and taking drugs that work if the shot does not do it all, we are using cheapo third world substitutes to try to prove we are smarter than the people at Harvard
Ivermectin, if used as an outpatient early course intervention, is not taken "instead" of anything. Instead, it is given in lieu of doing nothing.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 2:09 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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I would have gone with DVT for a thousand, Alex..
For his sake, glad it was not that!
Nope. Checked doppler and negative. D-dimer negative. I thought it was for sure. Still the pattern of swelling was odd. His foot was normal. Skinny and bony as always, the swelling started at ankle and was hanging over his shoe. No redness. Strong pulses, good cap refill, color normal. It's like it was all sub-Q. Was worried about compartment syndrome, but pain wasn't that bad and it resolved. I gave him some benedryl IM and an rx for Hydroxyzine since he wanted "something" and I didn't want to do anything else not knowing the cause. Was 80% better in 6-8 hours. He thanked me for saving his leg with whatever that was I gave him.
Sure!! Whatever. Looked like severe lymphedema from knee to ankle with foot totally unaffected. Other than BP being up, no other findings or symptoms.Posted on 8/22/21 at 2:13 pm to NC_Tigah
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we are using cheapo third world substitutes to try to prove we are smarter than the people at Harvard
I am. Have test results to prove it.
How many fortune 500 companies call you for advise on these topics? 3 here.
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In other words, you haven't a feeble clue as to WTF you're talking about. Right?
Ivermectin, if used as an outpatient early course intervention, is not taken "instead" of anything. Instead, it is given in lieu of doing nothing.
Very true.
No treatments are denied. We throw everything at it we can. And those of us that do seem to be having much better outcomes for the most part.Posted on 8/22/21 at 2:16 pm to Tiguar
quote:That was easy.
Because Narcan works and ivermectin doesn’t.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 2:19 pm to idsrdum
The Wife and I plus 12 more people we know followed his early outpatient protocol and it worked for us. My Wife’s 02 sat went from 88 to 98 in 12 hours following that protocol!!!!
Posted on 8/22/21 at 2:19 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Because Narcan works and ivermectin doesn’t.
That was easy.
No, it wasn't. But simple answer work for simple minds.
He has treated zero patients with Ivermectin or anything else.
Guess what? Past a certain point, Narcan doesn't work either. It doesn't reverse anoxic brain injury or end organ damage. It has to be given early, before the damage is done. Just like HCQ and Ivermectin.
That was easy.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 3:09 pm to SmackoverHawg
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Very true. ? No treatments are denied. We throw everything at it we can. And those of us that do seem to be having much better outcomes for the most part.
I respect you guys throwing everything at it. Most folks are told to go home after a positve dx and use Advil and rest.. what would the harm be of starting a cheap drug showing positive effects instead of waiting till they decompensate and end up in ICU.
Hope is not a plan.
Posted on 8/22/21 at 3:23 pm to SmackoverHawg
6000mg Ivermectin * 1.87% = 112 mg per tube.
200lb foal is about 90kg. You want .2mg/kg for prevention.
So you want 18mg or 1/6 of tube. Two doses 48 hrs apart followed by one dose every week
This would the the preventive dosing for an asymptomatic foal per what I have seen.
200lb foal is about 90kg. You want .2mg/kg for prevention.
So you want 18mg or 1/6 of tube. Two doses 48 hrs apart followed by one dose every week
This would the the preventive dosing for an asymptomatic foal per what I have seen.
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