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re: Response from my Human Resources Department
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:25 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:25 pm to Wolfhound45
Most of these medications were not developed as a result using the HEK293 testing referenced, they were studied using it after the fact so I don't understand how that is relevant.
Asprin has been around in some form or fashion since 400BC and commercially available since the 1850's. What does that have to do with HEK293?
I'm sure it's no coincidence that Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, and Remdesivir all made the list.
I think you might find this info useful: LINK
Asprin has been around in some form or fashion since 400BC and commercially available since the 1850's. What does that have to do with HEK293?
I'm sure it's no coincidence that Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, and Remdesivir all made the list.
I think you might find this info useful: LINK
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Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:29 pm to Wolfhound45
Advise them that you were not aware of those being aquited from that line when you were REQUIRED by the military to take them.
You are aware of this one, and object and you will also not be getting those vaxes in the future.
You are aware of this one, and object and you will also not be getting those vaxes in the future.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:29 pm to Wolfhound45
Just send them back this:
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:30 pm to Wolfhound45
How about your religious belief of providing for your family and taking an experimental vaccine with loads of reported side effects presents an unnecessary and unreasonable risk that a potential vaccine injury would interfere with that God given responsibility?
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:30 pm to Aquila
Go online and print off an ordained minister certificate and send that to them and tell them that if they have any more questions to contact your attorney.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:35 pm to HubbaBubba
quote:
I would respond with,
"per long-standing ADA and HIPPA laws, which as an HR executive, you are well aware of, my personal medical records are personal and employees are under no obligation to share this information with anyone except my medical professional. Conversely, you're under a legal directive by federal guidance not to inquire.
The government is allowing the question to be raised and answered as to my legal objection. I am under no other obligation to share any additional personal information outside of that question. If you have an explanation, in the form of an enumerated and filed legal federal guidance, rather than a blog post, that defines the extent and limitations of your inquiry as well as the required extent and limitations of a response, please share those with me within the next 24 hours or I shall consider this matter has been fully addressed as required by federal law."
I submitted a memo with mine that highlighted several emails from my boss that mentioned they couldn't ask for my vaccine status because it's an HIPPA violation and that there are protections for employees under the EUA for refusal.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:36 pm to HailToTheChiz
quote:
"Are you denying my religious exemption request, or is this a continuous interrogation about my closely held beliefs"
This seems like the best answer, but I’m no attorney. Seems like this is one of those issues when keeping it simple and uncomplicated is best.
Make them give you their determination without committing an unforced error.
OP, this is a potentially serious hand to play, especially if you are the breadwinner for your family. If you think your HR department will show real teeth on this, consulting an actual attorney, and not a message board, would be your best next step.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:41 pm to CaptainPanic
quote:
The Religious exemptions are going to be tough to prove. There basically has to be proof in the actual teachings of your religion
My closely held PERSONAL religious beliefs arent in a manual HR has.
Weak shite
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:45 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:While true, they are under no obligation to grant his exemption. So he can reply with what you quoted, and they'll simply deny the exemption and go about their day.
Good response. OP is under no obligation to explain his beliefs to them.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:46 pm to Wolfhound45
Tell them you didn't know that those meds had used baby tissue and you are horrified and grateful for the information. You know know not to take those other medications unless it is proven that they did not use fetal tissue in development.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:47 pm to Wolfhound45
[Re]commit yourself to Jesus Christ this weekend at church and then with a clear conscience, answer "no, not since I committed myself to Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour", on Monday.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:52 pm to Tdot_RiverDawg
quote:That actually is quite incorrect. I've posted here previously the rule regarding this. The HR department is allowed to address this directly with you but must keep your information separate and apart from your personnel file. They are ONLY allowed to ask your status, and if you are not vaccinated, and claim religious exemption, they are not supposed to make any further inquiry, but to accept or reject based on your initial response. At no time can anyone other than an HR person inquire about your status. I was asked by a department manager trying to determine who could attend a conference. I advised HR of the inquiry and HR contacted the manager and said that the manager could not ask anyone, and that he can call up HR and ask, "Can this person travel and attend an event where they are limiting attendees to vaccinated persons, only." HR can advise them, "yes" or "no". That's it. I had a lengthy visit with my HR person and she was totally cool, hated the mandate (we're a government contractor) but was not rejecting anyone claiming a religious exemption, saying to me, "that's nobody's business."
I submitted a memo with mine that highlighted several emails from my boss that mentioned they couldn't ask for my vaccine status because it's an HIPPA violation and that there are protections for employees under the EUA for refusal.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:57 pm to Wolfhound45
I have sent my response. Thanks to all that assisted me in forming my thoughts on the matter.
This post was edited on 11/24/21 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:57 pm to Wolfhound45
Children of God for Life is a good resource for you. Here is an article that directly addresses the garbage post your employer sent you.
lets-get-a-few-things-cleared-up-testing-cell-lines-and-fetal-tissue
I have a family member who is currently fighting for an RE within the military. His response to similar type questions were as follows:
Q: Have you taken any other medicine that was developed or tested using fetal cells?
A. Not that I am aware of, but as I find out new information I would certainly abstain from it and seek morally acceptable alternatives in keeping with my religious beliefs
Q: Have you ever taken Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Aspirin, Ibuprofen, Benadryl, or Claritan—All of which were developed using fetal cells?
A. I have taken some of those medications, and I will have to research to see if what you are quoting is true. From the list, I know that aspirin was developed before 1900, so I know that it would be impossible for it to have been developed from fetal lines that did not exist until the 1970s. Again, as I find out new information I would certainly abstain from morally tainted pharmaceuticals and seek morally acceptable alternatives in keeping with my religious beliefs.
Appreciate you staying in the fight, and I pray for your success.
lets-get-a-few-things-cleared-up-testing-cell-lines-and-fetal-tissue
I have a family member who is currently fighting for an RE within the military. His response to similar type questions were as follows:
Q: Have you taken any other medicine that was developed or tested using fetal cells?
A. Not that I am aware of, but as I find out new information I would certainly abstain from it and seek morally acceptable alternatives in keeping with my religious beliefs
Q: Have you ever taken Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Aspirin, Ibuprofen, Benadryl, or Claritan—All of which were developed using fetal cells?
A. I have taken some of those medications, and I will have to research to see if what you are quoting is true. From the list, I know that aspirin was developed before 1900, so I know that it would be impossible for it to have been developed from fetal lines that did not exist until the 1970s. Again, as I find out new information I would certainly abstain from morally tainted pharmaceuticals and seek morally acceptable alternatives in keeping with my religious beliefs.
Appreciate you staying in the fight, and I pray for your success.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:08 pm to Crimsonmarine
Also, since they are relying on someone from the Catholic persuasion as an expert, you could reference the Archbishop of Military Services:
Archbishop Timothy Broglio statement
quote:
Accordingly, no one should be forced to receive a COVID-19 vaccine if it would violate the sanctity of his or her conscience.
Archbishop Timothy Broglio statement
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:08 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
I work from home. All of my work is remote.
Does your company even realize the mandate doesn’t pertain to you as a remote worker?
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:10 pm to Crimsonmarine
quote:Thanks for the link!
Crimsonmarine
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:13 pm to Wolfhound45
Tell them it’s none of their fricking business what medications you take.
Their response it’s such a condescending pile of shite it infuriates me. They are basically telling you that you aren’t really practicing your religion. It’s insulting and offensive. We should sue them for discrimination like the left does.
Imagine if a Muslim asked if a product contained pork and your response was “come on, you don’t always avoid pork right, you like to cheat sometimes right?”
The sky screaming would be outrageous
Their response it’s such a condescending pile of shite it infuriates me. They are basically telling you that you aren’t really practicing your religion. It’s insulting and offensive. We should sue them for discrimination like the left does.
Imagine if a Muslim asked if a product contained pork and your response was “come on, you don’t always avoid pork right, you like to cheat sometimes right?”
The sky screaming would be outrageous
This post was edited on 11/24/21 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:14 pm to Wolfhound45
OP works for a shitty company. Ours granted any religious exemption without question.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 3:16 pm to Wolfhound45
What is your religion. That can help narrow a response.
For instance.
In the catholic doctrine a right to Informed Conscience is well supported within the Catechism of the Catholic Church and can be supported as such.
There is an entire section of the book related specifically to an informed conscience.
For instance.
In the catholic doctrine a right to Informed Conscience is well supported within the Catechism of the Catholic Church and can be supported as such.
There is an entire section of the book related specifically to an informed conscience.
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