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re: Reverend Budde's inauguration sermon
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:01 am to jptiger2009
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:01 am to jptiger2009
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This is 15 minutes long, and mostly very boring to listen to.
Inauguration slay
But, have any of you actually listened to what she says with an unbiased ear?
Again, it's not easy to listen to, and she's very obviously not a fan of DT's first 4 years. She's a very educated woman who points out a few terms from the scientific sociological community. Talks about manipulations among other issues she indirectly has with Trump.
One of the best points within her sermon was considering the "culture of contempt" that Trump thrives on, flipping a switch from cold to hot like most of you on this site. And, wishing the worst to your so called enemies.
I've been wished to death several times on this sight over the years, and you don't even know me.
I've read that there was something like a 700% spike in suicidal calls to various set up prevention hot lines on inauguration day.
I don't think you can truly be American and not care for fellow Americans, regardless of what they think.
Why must we automatically hold each other in contempt? Why are most half of us so afraid of contemporary change but especially inevitable changes for our sons and daughters?
Donald Trump is only concerned about the now, and either most of you don't have kids, only see your kids part-time, or your grown kids want nothing to do with you anymore (that's become very common with boomers), but the world we lead for our children's children starts yesterday if we even still have time.
I don't blame a mindset, as most of us are living pay check to pay check and have been. Some know nothing different. How can you expect anyone in that state to even contemplate the future?
Kids need (require) 2 parents to be set up for success. All statistics point towards that. Why can't we all get on a closer wavelength and stop using bullshite like religion or political views separate us? It's been happening for too long that we've become too accustomed to it, as if it's normal for a successful society.
We all have to do better, and I think we can. We have to remain open to each others opinions and work together to bring back our country.
She is supposed to be a pastor, and yet did not use scripture properly in order to instruct in righteousness, God’s righteousness not man’s self righteousness. She used it as an opportunity to castigate and attack the President of the United States in his first day as President, and later for self promotion on her world tour.
There was absolutely NOTHING whatsoever Christian or Godly about any of that, but then this should come as no big surprise given she’s a leftist activist with a long history of activism. That’s what was clearly most important. This was never based in the gospel, a gospel she wasted a golden opportunity to share with the world. It was based in her and in her activism.
She failed in her sole responsibility as a pastor, to point you to Christ. No points awarded.
This post was edited on 1/28/25 at 9:09 am
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:03 am to jptiger2009
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I've read that there was something like a 700% spike in suicidal calls to various set up prevention hot lines on inauguration day.
I don't think you can truly be American and not care for fellow Americans
Do you accept every ideology that comes your way as equal?
No, you do not.
These trans people are just uber soft and your protecting them doesnt help their mental wellbeing at all.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:33 am to jptiger2009
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jptiger2009
up vote 10
down vote 295
How did this post work out for you Scooter?
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
=/= accepting every alternative lifestyle as healthy.
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Not the question or topic. Try reading the,earlier comments.
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Not the question or topic. Try reading the,earlier comments.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:48 am to jptiger2009
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I'm not a man
we know
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:59 am to jptiger2009
Curious why a compassionate woman didn't offer her mansion or church to home the helpless victims of our government.
Numerous Protestant churches in my area recently opened their doors for the homeless during the extreme cold.
Many routinely volunteer to help folks in need after disastrous weather events, hurricanes, tornados, fires.
Don't remember her name nor other Episcopalians being mentioned.
Numerous Protestant churches in my area recently opened their doors for the homeless during the extreme cold.
Many routinely volunteer to help folks in need after disastrous weather events, hurricanes, tornados, fires.
Don't remember her name nor other Episcopalians being mentioned.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:02 am to jptiger2009
frick her.
How do you properly listen with an unbiased ear to biased bullshite?
How do you properly listen with an unbiased ear to biased bullshite?
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:09 am to Gus007
The problem for her is that she bought the lies they told about trump.
And no one else does anymore.
So my response to her “sermon” is
I don’t believe you. I don’t believe there was a dramatic increase in legitimate suicidal calls to hotlines. There might have been an increase in but it was manufactured. Or those people were just looking for drama. It’s possible it was real. I’ve just been lied to too much.
I don’t believe trump is a divider. I think he is the biggest unifier we have seen since Reagan.
So I don’t believe you. You need some discernment from the Holy Spirit.
And no one else does anymore.
So my response to her “sermon” is
I don’t believe you. I don’t believe there was a dramatic increase in legitimate suicidal calls to hotlines. There might have been an increase in but it was manufactured. Or those people were just looking for drama. It’s possible it was real. I’ve just been lied to too much.
I don’t believe trump is a divider. I think he is the biggest unifier we have seen since Reagan.
So I don’t believe you. You need some discernment from the Holy Spirit.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:11 am to bluewatersailor
quote:Mentally ill people have coping problems.
700% increase in suicides????
Posted on 1/28/25 at 6:39 pm to KWL85
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Jesus wanted mercy for all. Show us an example that supports your comment. I'll wait for your answer.
Jesus preached against sexual immorality about as much as any subject. Jesus also promoted the traditional nuclear family in many instances. Beyond this, Jehovah God in the Old Testament and some of the disciples in the new outright condemned homosexual behaviors. It would be wholly inconsistent for Jesus, who stated,” I only do what I see the Father do and what he tells me” to embrace a sexually immoral practice condemned by his Father. Plus, Jesus himself said , “ God from the beginning made them both Male and Female”, never mentioning any such transgender possibility.
You speak about mercy. Real mercy doesn’t encourage a person to do things which are both physically and spiritually harmful.
This post was edited on 1/28/25 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 1/28/25 at 6:57 pm to jptiger2009
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We all have to do better, and I think we can
We did.
We elected Trump.
Now kindly go pound sand.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 7:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It shows how fragile minded these people are. They dont need coddling, they need truth.
Well, the truth hurts them. They cant accept reality.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 4:58 am to djsdawg
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Well, the truth hurts them. They cant accept reality.
Its kinda crazy how wealthy we became, so as to allow so many people to escape the harsh realities of natural law.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 5:26 am to genuineLSUtiger
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The media and lack of critical thinking skills is to blame for this.
This world is so fake and phony. Its so hard to take any of it seriously anymore.
And 90% of pure distraction.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:58 pm to Revelator
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Jesus wanted mercy for all. Show us an example that supports your comment. I'll wait for your answer.
Jesus preached against sexual immorality about as much as any subject. Jesus also promoted the traditional nuclear family in many instances. Beyond this, Jehovah God in the Old Testament and some of the disciples in the new outright condemned homosexual behaviors. It would be wholly inconsistent for Jesus, who stated,” I only do what I see the Father do and what he tells me” to embrace a sexually immoral practice condemned by his Father. Plus, Jesus himself said , “ God from the beginning made them both Male and Female”, never mentioning any such transgender possibility.
You speak about mercy. Real mercy doesn’t encourage a person to do things which are both physically and spiritually harmful.
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You are mixing topics. People are hating on the bishop for asking for mercy. The question of whether homosexuality is right or wrong is not the topic. Are you saying Jesus would not ask for mercy for both illegal immigrants or homosexuals? Of course he would! He clearly said to love God and your neighbor as his 2 most important teachings. Maybe you are speaking of a different Jesus.
You mention Jesus preaching about sexual immorality. Sure, but provide any passage where he mentions homosexuality. You can't, because he never spoke on it. I am a straight as an arrow in my sexuality, so not coming from that direction. But you are misinformed about the teachings of Jesus.
Jesus wanted mercy for all. Show us an example that supports your comment. I'll wait for your answer.
Jesus preached against sexual immorality about as much as any subject. Jesus also promoted the traditional nuclear family in many instances. Beyond this, Jehovah God in the Old Testament and some of the disciples in the new outright condemned homosexual behaviors. It would be wholly inconsistent for Jesus, who stated,” I only do what I see the Father do and what he tells me” to embrace a sexually immoral practice condemned by his Father. Plus, Jesus himself said , “ God from the beginning made them both Male and Female”, never mentioning any such transgender possibility.
You speak about mercy. Real mercy doesn’t encourage a person to do things which are both physically and spiritually harmful.
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You are mixing topics. People are hating on the bishop for asking for mercy. The question of whether homosexuality is right or wrong is not the topic. Are you saying Jesus would not ask for mercy for both illegal immigrants or homosexuals? Of course he would! He clearly said to love God and your neighbor as his 2 most important teachings. Maybe you are speaking of a different Jesus.
You mention Jesus preaching about sexual immorality. Sure, but provide any passage where he mentions homosexuality. You can't, because he never spoke on it. I am a straight as an arrow in my sexuality, so not coming from that direction. But you are misinformed about the teachings of Jesus.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 5:10 pm to KWL85
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Are you saying Jesus would not ask for mercy for both illegal immigrants or homosexuals?
Mercy? Depends on how one describes mercy. He certainly wouldn’t condone homosexual sex, but he certainly would demand that they repent of their immorally. On the topic of illegal immigration, Jesus said,” render to Cesar what is Cesar’s, and God, Gods. He most assuredly wouldn’t be advocating for illegal activities.
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You mention Jesus preaching about sexual immorality. Sure, but provide any passage where he mentions homosexuality. You can't, because he never spoke on it. I am a straight as an arrow in my sexuality, so not coming from that direction. But you are misinformed about the teachings of Jesus.
There are lots of topics Jesus didn’t address directly, but it’s an absurd to assume this means if he didn’t speak about it, he was for it.
Jesus never spoke about a man beating his wife. Do you think this means he was for it?
You have to take all of scripture and see what it says on a subject and realize, Jesus’ position would be consistent with them.
Jesus’ disciples preached against homosexuality. Do you think they would have a different position than Jesus their teacher.
Here is an easy assignment for you. Provide me with just one scripture in the entire Bible that mentions homosexuality in a positive light.
I’ll save you time. There are none.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 2/1/25 at 10:06 am to Revelator
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Are you saying Jesus would not ask for mercy for both illegal immigrants or homosexuals?
Mercy? Depends on how one describes mercy. He certainly wouldn’t condone homosexual sex, but he certainly would demand that they repent of their immorally. On the topic of illegal immigration, Jesus said,” render to Cesar what is Cesar’s, and God, Gods. He most assuredly wouldn’t be advocating for illegal activities
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I am not a bible expert, nor a religious expert. The Jesus I believe in would have stood next to the bishop and agreed with her on everything she said. You can't find any content from her sermon that strays from anything he taught. Not a single sentence!
Her message was about mercy for an oppressed group of people. I asked you if you believe Jesus would be against asking for mercy for them? You say it depends on how one describes mercy. Way to side-step because you don't have an answer. What definition of mercy does not apply here?
I don't really care what you believe.I am not interested in trying to convert you to my beliefs. I spoke out against false statements made by some on the bishop's sermon.
We disagree on whether Jesus would support illegal immigration. He made loving your lord and loving your neighbor above all else.
It is easy to pick specific verses to try and make an argument. Your verse is weak compared to the many other verses that support the opposite of your contention. Here you go:
"When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
Your assertions about whether he would condone homosexuality are your own and not his. But that is not the subject. The subject is whether the bishop said anything wrong. I am saying Jesus would have agreed with her and that the transcript of her sermon shows me nothing to believe otherwise.
Plain and simple.
Your assertion that Jesus would not condone in illegal activities is false. You realize he was crucified for not following laws of the day,? He spoke out against the leaders of the day. He was against oppression of the marginalized. Jesus was a rebel.
You refer to bible scripture. There are numerous scripture verses that are often interpreted in multiple ways. The bible was written and rewritten over hundreds of years in multiple languages. It is not hard to find verses that can not be taken literally. There are verses that condone slavery. Are we to own slaves?
Again, I am not here to convert you. But those speaking out against this sermon act like religion and Jesus would be on their side of the argument. This is not true.
Are you saying Jesus would not ask for mercy for both illegal immigrants or homosexuals?
Mercy? Depends on how one describes mercy. He certainly wouldn’t condone homosexual sex, but he certainly would demand that they repent of their immorally. On the topic of illegal immigration, Jesus said,” render to Cesar what is Cesar’s, and God, Gods. He most assuredly wouldn’t be advocating for illegal activities
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I am not a bible expert, nor a religious expert. The Jesus I believe in would have stood next to the bishop and agreed with her on everything she said. You can't find any content from her sermon that strays from anything he taught. Not a single sentence!
Her message was about mercy for an oppressed group of people. I asked you if you believe Jesus would be against asking for mercy for them? You say it depends on how one describes mercy. Way to side-step because you don't have an answer. What definition of mercy does not apply here?
I don't really care what you believe.I am not interested in trying to convert you to my beliefs. I spoke out against false statements made by some on the bishop's sermon.
We disagree on whether Jesus would support illegal immigration. He made loving your lord and loving your neighbor above all else.
It is easy to pick specific verses to try and make an argument. Your verse is weak compared to the many other verses that support the opposite of your contention. Here you go:
"When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
Your assertions about whether he would condone homosexuality are your own and not his. But that is not the subject. The subject is whether the bishop said anything wrong. I am saying Jesus would have agreed with her and that the transcript of her sermon shows me nothing to believe otherwise.
Plain and simple.
Your assertion that Jesus would not condone in illegal activities is false. You realize he was crucified for not following laws of the day,? He spoke out against the leaders of the day. He was against oppression of the marginalized. Jesus was a rebel.
You refer to bible scripture. There are numerous scripture verses that are often interpreted in multiple ways. The bible was written and rewritten over hundreds of years in multiple languages. It is not hard to find verses that can not be taken literally. There are verses that condone slavery. Are we to own slaves?
Again, I am not here to convert you. But those speaking out against this sermon act like religion and Jesus would be on their side of the argument. This is not true.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 10:14 am to KWL85
When Jesus forgave the thief that was being crucified next to Him, He didn't tell the centurions to take him down and let him go. Jesus allowed for the sentence to be enforced because while the thief was forgiven and would be given his eternal reward, he had broken the laws of man and was subject to those sanctions.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 7:57 am to KWL85
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Her message was about mercy for an oppressed group of people. I asked you if you believe Jesus would be against asking for mercy for them? You say it depends on how one describes mercy. Way to side-step because you don't have an answer. What definition of mercy does not apply here?
Again, it’s not merciful to tell a person who has mental issues and is trans that it’s a good idea to mutilate their bodies. This is the opposite of mercy.
The suicide rate with trans people who have had reassignment survey is much higher that the populace at large. They aren’t finding the joy or peace they thought would follow.
quote:
When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
A sojourner by definition is a person who is passing through one country temporarily to get to another. The illegals immigrants aren’t passing through, but staying.
I’ll admit, the immigrant situation is much harder to address biblically than the issue of homosexuality or transgenderism.
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Your assertion that Jesus would not condone in illegal activities is false. You realize he was crucified for not following laws of the day,?
This is absolutely false. The Jews brought up Jesus to be crucified because he claimed to be God and said he could rebuild the temple in three days. It was for blasphemy and not breaking laws.
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You refer to bible scripture. There are numerous scripture verses that are often interpreted in multiple ways. The bible was written and rewritten over hundreds of years in multiple languages. It is not hard to find verses that can not be taken literally. There are verses that condone slavery. Are we to own slaves?
This is an argument used by atheists all the time. It’s meant to discredit the Bible so they don’t have to follow any of its teachings. But they still use Bible verses when they think it suits their arguments.
Truth is, when the Dead Sea scrolls were found long after the Bible was written, the parts found were by and large word for word with the Bible as we have it now except for things like misspelled words.
Posted on 2/2/25 at 8:05 am to Revelator
We do not agree and you continue to make false statements. You have been indoctrinated. There is no value in continuing this. Believe what you want.
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