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re: RFK exposing more secrets by Big Pharma…
Posted on 9/6/25 at 3:04 pm to TigerDoc
Posted on 9/6/25 at 3:04 pm to TigerDoc
Well… theres the rub. If the people can’t trust the medical industrial complex, said MIC will simply force their will on the people. Covid was a sobering experience in medical tyranny for many Americans including doctors.
And if mandates are the answer, why not mandate vitamins and exercise? Why stop at fluoride and iodine in the food supply? We could virtually eliminate chronic disease among kids with public health mandates. Where should the line be drawn?
So promote? Yes. Recommend? Yes. Cover? Yes.
Mandate? I’m not yet convinced.
And if mandates are the answer, why not mandate vitamins and exercise? Why stop at fluoride and iodine in the food supply? We could virtually eliminate chronic disease among kids with public health mandates. Where should the line be drawn?
So promote? Yes. Recommend? Yes. Cover? Yes.
Mandate? I’m not yet convinced.
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Posted on 9/6/25 at 3:08 pm to Louisianalabguy
I'm very aware.
But they unleashed their insanity for COVID.
But they unleashed their insanity for COVID.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 3:10 pm to Vacherie Saint
Yeah, I'm not some kind of blanket mandates person. You're absolutely right that there's a reactance-based (the tendency to resist a mandate like a teen wanting to do the opposite of what they're made to do) aspect to policy and there's good social science for this, but the nature of communicable disease - the fact that in proximity to others we make others sick is the justification (think the libertarian Mill notion of liberty to punch ending where others' noses begin) for vaccination policy that's different from the others you mention. If there was some other intervention that was less restrictive and as effective, I would say don't mandate vaccines and your point about Europe is good as well - if public voluntary uptake is good enough, you can avoid mandates.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 3:11 pm to Vacherie Saint
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medical leftists
Gotta love right wing discourse. People with expertise are “leftists.” The only proper conservatives are morons who get their education from YouTube videos. God help us all.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 3:15 pm to TigerDoc
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science communication
Like mask work and stand 6 feet apart? That kind of science?
Posted on 9/6/25 at 3:15 pm to TigerDoc
Yep. Depoliticize public health, take private money out of the equation, be fearlessly loyal to the oath, and rebuild trust. It opens up so many possibilities.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 3:22 pm to CDawson
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Like mask work and stand 6 feet apart? That kind of science?
They thought it was a droplet-borne disease because of other coronaviruses we'd seen before and masks do work - but not as well as vaccines, for those who can take the take them (not all can).
Science is not some magic incantation that summons the truth, baw. From the crooked timber of humanity, no mf'ing straight thing was ever made. There were frick-ups and there always will be frick-ups.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 3:25 pm to TBoy
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The only proper conservatives are morons who get their education from YouTube videos. God help us all.
Not totally fair, they get a lot of medical information from Chiropractors as well.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 3:26 pm to Placekicker
Posted on 9/6/25 at 3:32 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Yep. Depoliticize public health, take private money out of the equation, be fearlessly loyal to the oath, and rebuild trust. It opens up so many possibilities.
We are in agreement - minimizing the politics should be the goal and increasing public investment relative to private and rebuild trust. There's a lot of brass tacks in details and who would be trustworthy to do that, but nice to at least have an agreement of broad vision.
This post was edited on 9/6/25 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 9/6/25 at 3:45 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Why are you spending so much energy trying to explain medicine to people who don’t know what pubmed is, have never read an actual study from abstract to conclusion, and their only source of “scientific research” is Twitter? Just point and laugh at them like I do
Yes, you’re smarter than Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya etc etc etc.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 3:55 pm to TigerDoc
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They thought it was a droplet-borne disease because of other coronaviruses we'd seen before and masks do work
Why did they think this? Before C19, had all coronaviruses been droplet-borne?
ETA - regardless of why they thought this in the beginning, why did the continue to believe this more than a few weeks into the meat of the pandemic?
This post was edited on 9/6/25 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:01 pm to Kjnstkmn
What is scientific certainty? Isn't science always a best guess and understanding?
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:06 pm to TigerDoc
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There were frick-ups and there always will be frick-ups.
For the people at the very top, it didn't look like frick-ups to me. It looked intentional.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:07 pm to David_DJS
Because of analogy from flu, SARS-1, and MERS (another coronavirus) which are transmitted by droplets when we cough/sneeze. They thought COVID would be transmitted similarly at the start of the pandemic (that's why they pushed for all the handwashing, not touching your face, wiping things down, etc.) “6 feet” rule came from old research showing that heavier droplets usually fall to the ground within a couple of meters. Masks were a clusterfrick. They stupidly said they weren't protective to avoid a public run on them to save them for doctors medical staff since we stupidly outsource our ability to make adequate supplies ourselves and the idea of asymptomatic spread wasn’t yet on the radar.
Once it became clear people could spread the virus without feeling sick, they promoted masks regularly as a way to keep your own germs from reaching others. Eventually it started to be clear that airborne particles mattered more than anyone first thought and the focus shifted from cleaning surfaces to better ventilation and widespread indoor masking.
ETA: there's a good piece for laypeople on how they came by the airborne transmission late.
The 60 year-old Scientific Screw-up that Helped COVID Kill
Once it became clear people could spread the virus without feeling sick, they promoted masks regularly as a way to keep your own germs from reaching others. Eventually it started to be clear that airborne particles mattered more than anyone first thought and the focus shifted from cleaning surfaces to better ventilation and widespread indoor masking.
ETA: there's a good piece for laypeople on how they came by the airborne transmission late.
The 60 year-old Scientific Screw-up that Helped COVID Kill
This post was edited on 9/6/25 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:11 pm to Flats
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For the people at the very top, it didn't look like frick-ups to me. It looked intentional.
What specifically?
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:14 pm to TigerDoc
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What specifically?
Do you not remember all of the "elites", Fauci certainly among them, who ignored the rules they imposed on others? The backtracking about masks, the lies about efficacy, eating out on the town, the highly selective closures they imposed; damn man, you really want a list? Those weren't mistakes.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:16 pm to Flats
Yeah, that was arrogant and poor leadership.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:22 pm to TigerDoc
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Yeah, that was arrogant and poor leadership.
And I forgot to throw in the silly chick someone linked earlier who was Sec HHS for North Carolina during covid. She sounded like a great medical expert.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:25 pm to TigerDoc
Im at page 6 and i cant take reading anymore of this. Tigerdoc and onmymedicalgrind, let me help you out. I am just a regular guy and i bet most others dont feel much differently than i do on the subject of doctors, big pharma, and Covid so i’ll tell you why everybody is downvoting you to oblivion.
First and foremost, this entire conversation is tied directly to the Covid vaccine, whether stated or not. Covid was a giant scam, a scandal. One huge payday to Big Pharma, politicians, and scumbags that gamed the system. Essentially, Covid was one big experiment for the government to find out how much they could get away with in regards to taking our liberties.
The Covid vaccine was an even bigger scam. Think about this for a moment and allow it to sink in: The government mandated Covid vaccine does not prevent, cure, or lessen the effects of Covid. Really??? What the hell does it do?
Throughout Covid, most doctors and the AMA fully supported the steps government was taking on Covid and they supported the vaccine. My doctor asked me whether i had gotten the vaccine or not. I replied i did not trust the vaccine nor do i trust the government. His response was “Don’t you think thats a little selfish of yourself, putting all these people at risk?” I trusted him and got the shot and few things in my life have pissed me off more than his guilt trip on me. My point is that the AMA and doctors betrayed the trust of the people and now people are questioning things.
Neither of you are doing yourself any favors on looking smart or respectable. Your arguments may be factual, but they are misguided. You’re missing the entire point. You are defending the indefensible. Why would you die on this hill?
I have a sibling who is a doctor and speaks to people exactly the way you do. I know you don’t mean to, but it is condescending and makes you sound like you think you know it all. You won’t win any arguments talking to people in that manner and you’ll be seen as a prick.
My purpose isnt to call you out. I’m trying to help you out so take it for what its worth. By the way, my sibling says the AMA is almost purely political, worthless, and does a shite job of representing doctors.
First and foremost, this entire conversation is tied directly to the Covid vaccine, whether stated or not. Covid was a giant scam, a scandal. One huge payday to Big Pharma, politicians, and scumbags that gamed the system. Essentially, Covid was one big experiment for the government to find out how much they could get away with in regards to taking our liberties.
The Covid vaccine was an even bigger scam. Think about this for a moment and allow it to sink in: The government mandated Covid vaccine does not prevent, cure, or lessen the effects of Covid. Really??? What the hell does it do?
Throughout Covid, most doctors and the AMA fully supported the steps government was taking on Covid and they supported the vaccine. My doctor asked me whether i had gotten the vaccine or not. I replied i did not trust the vaccine nor do i trust the government. His response was “Don’t you think thats a little selfish of yourself, putting all these people at risk?” I trusted him and got the shot and few things in my life have pissed me off more than his guilt trip on me. My point is that the AMA and doctors betrayed the trust of the people and now people are questioning things.
Neither of you are doing yourself any favors on looking smart or respectable. Your arguments may be factual, but they are misguided. You’re missing the entire point. You are defending the indefensible. Why would you die on this hill?
I have a sibling who is a doctor and speaks to people exactly the way you do. I know you don’t mean to, but it is condescending and makes you sound like you think you know it all. You won’t win any arguments talking to people in that manner and you’ll be seen as a prick.
My purpose isnt to call you out. I’m trying to help you out so take it for what its worth. By the way, my sibling says the AMA is almost purely political, worthless, and does a shite job of representing doctors.
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