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re: RFK exposing more secrets by Big Pharma…
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:30 pm to somethingdifferent
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:30 pm to somethingdifferent
I don't answer gish-gallups. I respect people I'm talking to by asking one question at a time. I'll be patient and answer if you're good faith.
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Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:32 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:I never said anything about liking him or thinking he knows anything about anything. What I have said is that he's bringing an important mentality to healthcare. One that should be welcomed by everyone. Well, at least rational, scientific people.
He isn’t your savior
quote:He hasn't gotten a dollar from me
He is using your distrust of the science establishment to launder his own personal beliefs
quote:So you disagree with banning artificial dyes? I'm listening....
in his lies
quote:You might find this surprising but scientists don't all agree and I've cited 3 itt that are engaged in that dynamic
actual scientists
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:33 pm to somethingdifferent
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Then why don't we wear those masks every day, everywhere?
Some people do if they have a severe immune dysfunction. Most of us don't because we balance risk-protection against convenience.
I could stay in my house all the time and reduce my risk for getting hit by lightning, but it's most salient to do it in a thunderstorm. I use more pre-cautions when my risk is higher.
Right?
This post was edited on 9/7/25 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:33 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:There it is. "Trust me, bro."
some people do not have the background knowledge to understand
quote:Yeah, freewill, liberty and all that
relieve the years between Edward Jenner, John Snow, and the eradication of smallpox all over again
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:34 pm to TigerDoc
quote:I'm sorry you don't like liberty
Some very, very reckless people
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:34 pm to somethingdifferent
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Which has absolutely NOTHING to do with "good messaging." Scientists and science are not at all concerned with making people feel good or having trust in any institutions
Which isn’t what good messaging would entail, but okay.
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It is simply about communicating what has been observed, period. No bias, no narrative, no persuading.
This is retarded. In every issue of Nature, there is a fierce debate about niche topics which use standard rhetorical techniques to make arguments about where new ideas fit into the structure of what we already know. If you aren’t used to scientific language, you would miss these debates, but the essence of them still goes back to the basics of classical rhetoric. And even in the collection of something like the DSM-V, the debate on what is included and how it is included and according to what evidentiary standards, is filled with bias, personal rivalries, politics, jealousy, etc. Science is still contingent on human emotions, regardless of your idealized view of how it is approached. This is true of the entirety of science.
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Again, this is the value of what RFKjr brings to the table
Nah, he doesn’t bring anything to the table other than his desperate desire to launder his own idiotic ideas into the world.
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Question everything.
That would happen regardless of whether RFK is in charge or not. Instead of something meaningful, like the continued academic and regulatory capture of institutions by corporate industry, we get something that was settled and in the end is of much lower stakes.
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The trust is in the questioning, not in the institutions
lol, it is going to be theater, nothing else.
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There are people itt who are fighting against that and defending leaders who have lied repeatedly
And then what? What specifically about the structure of scientific progress and its relationship with corporate industry is RFK looking to change? Be specific for once. Give me some of his plans and/ideas. How is he going to ‘fix’ peer review?
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:35 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:I'm on the side of freedom
I’m guessing you are on the side of Hepatocelluar carcinoma
Do you support mandating healthcare, such as that vaccine?
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:36 pm to somethingdifferent
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There it is. "Trust me, bro."
No, you just don’t have the background and are also incurious. All of this has happened before, including anti-vaxxers targeting states to end compulsory vaccination schemes.
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Yeah, freewill, liberty and all that
And the death that came with it.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:37 pm to somethingdifferent
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I'm on the side of freedom
I am sure that’s what you think.
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Do you support mandating healthcare, such as that vaccine?
Nah, not COVID, but the anti-vaxxers are going to use it as a Trojan horse.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:38 pm to TigerDoc
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Who gives a shite about the food dyes
AWESOME
The ultimate "Trust me, bro." Tell us more about how you're so much more important than everyone else. People should listen to you for how to live life.
quote:You can't help it can you? You just absolutely can't stand someone questioning this because of your emotional commitment. Don't ever say you're scientific about anything ever again. You're an SFP level fraud
It's his incompetence, ignorance, arrogance, just about everywhere else that makes him a menace
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:41 pm to somethingdifferent
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What I have said is that he's bringing an important mentality to healthcare.
He doesn’t.
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So you disagree with banning artificial dyes? I'm listening....
I mean, it is fine. I don’t think food dyes are a major part of the metabolic issues which are plaguing us currently but if it helps you feel good about him, good for you.
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You might find this surprising but scientists don't all agree and I've cited 3 itt that are engaged in that dynamic
This is a hell of a non-sequitur to avoid discussing his dishonesty. Dear lord, you desperately need to stay within an argument.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:45 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:"Trust me, bro. Reasons."
Insular in what way?
quote:So people didn't run afoul of the govt when they refused the govt tyranny? People didn't trip over themselves to get a CDC recommended experimental treatment and now there are health problems because of it? I guess it was all a dream.
lol
quote:His mentality of questioning the institutions
How is he the person to fix peer review? What are his plans?
You suck itt
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:48 pm to TigerDoc
quote:The genetic fallacy is like your security blanket isn't it? You can't go too long without it.
have your LLM explain it to me, baw
Not that I've ever done such a thing but, you realize that as an information search engine, an AI program is just a tool for data aggregation, right? Meaning, it just brings info to you.
The question is why you are acting like such a flaming retard over it. So are you going to start denying that there are problems with the peer review process? You might as well change your name to Sisyphus
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:48 pm to somethingdifferent
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You just absolutely can't stand someone questioning this because of your emotional commitment. Don't ever say you're scientific about anything ever again.
You misunderstand. This is a civic judgement more than a scientific one.
Judging a public official's trustworthiness, honesty, and competence isn't really a scientific judgement. You keep having this issue. He isn't scientifically competent, but HHS secretaries usually aren't scientists. They're trained managers which is what they should be because they have a management job, but they will be shite managers administrating a public health service if they substitute crank judgement for real competent advice.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:50 pm to somethingdifferent
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Trust me, bro. Reasons."
Let’s be real, you would not read my recommendations. Your idea of what the problem is with medicine is far removed from what mine is.
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get a CDC recommended experimental treatment and now there are health problems because of it
What is the symptomotology of these health problems? Give me specifics. I have thousands of patient encounters a year. Tell me what I am supposed to be looking for if you are convinced that these are causing issues. You should know that every potential issue points towards a possible mechanism of cellular injury.
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His mentality of questioning the institutions
He hasn’t questioned anything at this point.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:51 pm to somethingdifferent
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are you going to start denying that there are problems with the peer review process?
No! I want someone trustworthy, competent, and earnest to address it. Do you know anyone or have ideas how this could be done yourself? (crazy asked this too).
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:51 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:It's unbelievable. You're so moronic on this point that you can't even understand the point of the anecdote. Do you need someone to walk you through it like you're 5 years old or do you think you can try again like an adult
it’s a feature of human immunity to tie the health of the strongest to the health of the weakest. It is literally the point of infectious disease. It sucks that we have to relive the entirety of public health because you are too stupid to read a book, but that’s where we ar
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:54 pm to somethingdifferent
What’s unbelievable is that you can’t seem to grasp I am referencing a particular epidemiological idea that you can’t grasp. Sad!
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:56 pm to TigerDoc
quote:Childish semantics.
Science needs questioning, but questioning that strengthens the evidence, not just stokes suspicion
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A genuine reformer earns trust by publishing carefully, inviting replication, and working with credible peers
You may not realize it, but you are passively arrogant. That is YOUR definition but it's not the only definition. I'll ask you again, have you ever heard of Eric Weinstein? Go look him up and find out what his value is. quote:"Trust me, bro"
RFK has done the opposite, using cherry-picking and conspiracy
quote:Why do you say "tear down trust?" He's asking questions. You're making it emotional.
tear down trust rather than build it up
Posted on 9/7/25 at 11:59 pm to TigerDoc
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I don't answer gish-gallups
Ok SFP. quote:Surrender
I respect people I'm talking to by asking one question at a time
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I'll be patient and answer if you're good faith
Ok. They're there for whenever you decide to grow up.
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