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re: Ron Desantis goes full Kasich while his poll #s plunge
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:23 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:23 pm to Indefatigable
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Define GOPe.
I'm trying to tell you that the mere fact that you are asking this question explains the difference between people like me (who can't vote for Desantis) and people like you (who can).
I'm not trying to change your opinion.
But, I'll say that this simple topic is the most significant reason Desantis can't gain traction in the primary and won't get Trump's base voters in the general if he somehow won.
When you guys wonder why things are the way they are, it's not that Trump voters are a cult...or that Trump is worshipped. It's because of the topic above. Feel free to ignore it or dismiss it. But, it is the reason.
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Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:24 pm to davyjones
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davyjones
All due respect, I didn’t ask you. I asked moneyg to define it. But while I have you,
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The deep state; the establishment
Define those terms.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:25 pm to WCTiger1
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WCTiger1
Whose idiotic alter are you?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:26 pm to moneyg
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I'm trying to tell you that the mere fact that you are asking this question explains the difference between people like me
So you can’t define it?
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I'm not trying to change your opinion.
You aren’t capable of changing my opinions. You lack the capacity for nuance and discussion that would require.
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But, I'll say that this simple topic is the most significant reason Desantis can't gain traction in the primary and won't get Trump's base voters in the general if he somehow won. When you guys wonder why things are the way they are, it's not that Trump voters are a cult...or that Trump is worshipped. It's because of the topic above. Feel free to ignore it or dismiss it. But, it is the reason.
So again, you won’t define GOPe? But expect people to somehow “disavow” the GOPe?
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:26 pm to moneyg
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Desantis can't gain traction in the primary and won't get Trump's base voters in the general if he somehow won.
Because they’re cultists that don’t actually care about the country.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:27 pm to moneyg
You can’t even define a fundamental point of your ideology. You’re slowly coming to that realization.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:30 pm to pankReb
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Like that and not being able to vote for someone with GOPe ties.
I don't think I said that...feel free to link it. I guess you are just being dishonest rather than wrong?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:32 pm to Indefatigable
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So you can’t define it?
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You aren’t capable of changing my opinions. You lack the capacity for nuance and discussion that would require.
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So again, you won’t define GOPe? But expect people to somehow “disavow” the GOPe?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:33 pm to moneyg
Why won’t you define ‘GOPe’? Such a bizarre refusal whenever it’s such a fixture of your position.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:36 pm to Indefatigable
He can't define it as it's just a buzzword.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:40 pm to the808bass
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You can’t even define a fundamental point of your ideology
That's simply untrue.
More importantly, the fact that you need it defined explains why you are at odds with the majority of Republican voters. That lack of understanding explains why you are emotional about the topic and why you jump to conclusions that Trump supporters worship him and are a part of a cult.
This is the most important point in this thread. People like you disagree with people like me on this point.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:41 pm to moneyg
You’re embarrassing yourself, now.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:45 pm to moneyg
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That's simply untrue.
Then just f'n type out the definition and end the suspense.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:52 pm to moneyg
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That's simply untrue.
More importantly, the fact that you need it defined explains why you are at odds with the majority of Republican voters. That lack of understanding explains why you are emotional about the topic and why you jump to conclusions that Trump supporters worship him and are a part of a cult.
This is the most important point in this thread. People like you disagree with people like me on this point.
Ok, let's re-word the question where your whole argument has been framed from the beginning:
What makes Desantis GOPe that doesn't make Trump also GOPe?
Your only answer has been some bullshite line about "well if you have to ask then that's the problem and what separates Trump voters from Desantis voters"
Give us details. What makes Desantis "GOPe" but not Trump? This should be easy for you since it's the base of your entire ideology.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 4:57 pm to David_DJS
Personally, I don’t think it’s a legitimate,
question really, the pop quiz demand for definitions. I know that seems counterintuitive. But I explain myself to wit: everyone should be pretty familiar with the complexity of requiring an on the spot definition of such a term, which is accompanied by a few others as well. Our discussion and debate would nearly deadlock if those who included the terms “conservative” or “liberal” or “progressive” or “moderate” and so on were pop quizzed with demand for the one or two line definition of the word used.
Truth is, we all use those terms and disregard the probability that the other person is using the same working definition as ourselves. We each likely have our own unique interpretations, be it substantially unique or minimally - but the reality is that we’re never really on the same exact page. And of course we assess one another’s credibility based on our own personal meanings. We could and would all be put on the spot at one point or another.
I know, kool story and sizzling take. Amirite
question really, the pop quiz demand for definitions. I know that seems counterintuitive. But I explain myself to wit: everyone should be pretty familiar with the complexity of requiring an on the spot definition of such a term, which is accompanied by a few others as well. Our discussion and debate would nearly deadlock if those who included the terms “conservative” or “liberal” or “progressive” or “moderate” and so on were pop quizzed with demand for the one or two line definition of the word used.
Truth is, we all use those terms and disregard the probability that the other person is using the same working definition as ourselves. We each likely have our own unique interpretations, be it substantially unique or minimally - but the reality is that we’re never really on the same exact page. And of course we assess one another’s credibility based on our own personal meanings. We could and would all be put on the spot at one point or another.
I know, kool story and sizzling take. Amirite
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:02 pm to saint tiger225
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That's a pretty impressive melt, my dude.
First of all, people who say "my dude" are so gay that they're depressed that the rainbow flag is too masculine.
Second of all, here we are on page 15 or so and we're supposed to pretend the Ronbots briefly paused to tell OP to "frick off", as illustrated in the meme?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:02 pm to RazorBroncs
The problem with the populist idea of “the global elites” (or the GOPe specifically in the current Republican populist movement) is that everything can be wedged into the GOPe box. So Rand Paul or Ted Cruz can be GOPe when you need for them to be GOPe.
And the populists have a good general concept of what the establishment is and how the establishment is bad for America. But it becomes the catch-all, boogeyman for all issues. Election shenanigans? Global elites. GOPe. Supreme Court disappointment? GOPe.
And the populists have a good general concept of what the establishment is and how the establishment is bad for America. But it becomes the catch-all, boogeyman for all issues. Election shenanigans? Global elites. GOPe. Supreme Court disappointment? GOPe.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:13 pm to davyjones
quote:
Personally, I don’t think it’s a legitimate,
question really, the pop quiz demand for definitions.
What he's really being questioned about is why he'd not vote for DeSantis in a general, but he's a Trump superfan. And he's trying to pass that position off like it's rational because - "establishment". He's also explained a few times how intellectually honest he is, and we're too "simple" to understand the position of an only-Trumper.
So, "define the establishment" is perfectly legitimate.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:17 pm to Indefatigable
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Why won’t you define GOPe?
The GOPe are the current leadership and power brokers within the party.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:19 pm to moneyg
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The GOPe are the current leadership and power brokers within the party.
trump
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