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re: Ron Desantis goes full Kasich while his poll #s plunge
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:59 pm to moneyg
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:59 pm to moneyg
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The complaint isn't Desantis per se. It's the GOPe. And, Desantis is the GOPe candidate.
The only thing that makes DeSantis the GOPe candidate is whatever it is that's rattling around in your head.
You cannot make an argument that established RDS as more the establishment candidate than Trump. FFS we read thread after thread on this board about Trump polling 40-50 pts better than DeSantis and getting the endorsements of 90% of Republican elected officials. You can't do that and not be winning the establishment's support.
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Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:09 pm to moneyg
quote:
It's the GOPe.
What is the GOPe? You’ve provided zero definition.
You won’t, and everyone in this thread knows that you won’t—because because any possible definition will include people that support or directly work for President Trump’s campaign.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:15 pm to RazorBroncs
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Desantis' remarks on taking down the Republican Establishment YOU don't want to listen.
There is an entire thread in that.
It proved to me that he doesn’t recognize the problem. Go read that thread.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:17 pm to moneyg
What is the problem?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:18 pm to Indefatigable
quote:
What is the GOPe? You’ve provided zero definition
You can’t read I guess.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:18 pm to pankReb
quote:
What is the problem?
Go read the thread.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:19 pm to RazorBroncs
quote:Jeb & GWBush didn't fund, campaign, promote or want Trump. They funded, promoted campaigned (On a Paul Ryan produced Fox Nation mini series special) for DeSantis.
What makes Desantis GOPe that doesn't make Trump also GOPe?
They thought Trump was going to be a spoiler and allow their Bush sister (As GWBush calls her) Hillary Clinton in.
The Bush dynasty was halted when Trump called out Jeb! and the fake WMD and wars of the Bush's LIVE at a debate with Cruz as a buffer.
It was shocking that anyone dare say such a thing outloud about the Bush's, but deep down many people that were dumbasses of MIC propaganda Wars on TV, woke up.
George Prescot Bush (Jeb's son that was groomed for the Presidency to speak Spanish and say he loved Jesus as a mentor & mom's apple pie... (While Uncle Dubya tortures people with Dick Cheney) Got voted out of office in TX on his way to the Presidency, BECAUSE Trump exposed them...
Jeb lost doing the same thing Ron is doing sending a team of 12 to the key states and hiring rent a crowds. Paul Ryan, Turtle, and the GOP establishment caucus in DC are all team Bush's, Clinton's, Obama's, Biden's, Youngkin, DeSantis, Tim Scott, Haley and so on and so forth.
They have been choosing who is the President every other 8 years D & R taking turns pretending for longer than I want to say outload.
The Bush's knew they were now losers via George P. Bush in TX & Jeb! so they bought a crapload of MAGA hats and told Ron! to toss them to the crowds and act MAGA. Then MAGA became the N- word thanks to comrade Biden the Bush's all voted for. And Ron could then relax and be his bobbled head social anxiety disorder self.
Like Tucker, some of us woke up to the MIC, Bush's, Clinton, Obama, Biden's and the political Generals at the Pentagon having no honor. Tucker said Trump is the only anti-war person running.
I think the ones that post here STILL carrying the Ron torch are nevertrumper democrats, DB CruzCrew trolls from 2016, neocons, neoliberals.
So I don't GAF what Fun Bunches or whoever think. I will troll you in fun, post the truth to the best of my knowledge. But I won't pretend I am Switzerland being reasonable and pretend I am reasonable to ya'lls drivel.
I also won't fall for Fun Bunches troll crap insisting I respect Meatball and not call him Meatball.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:19 pm to moneyg
Why can’t you just tell me?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:22 pm to cajunangelle
Can you tell me why Trump's campaign is being ran by members of the supposed GOPe?
is Graham still included in that?
quote:
Jeb lost doing the same thing Ron is doing sending a team of 12 to the key states and hiring rent a crowds. Paul Ryan, Turtle, and the GOP establishment caucus in DC are all team Bush's, Clinton's, Obama's, Biden's, Youngkin, DeSantis, Tim Scott, Haley snd so on and so forth.
is Graham still included in that?
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:23 pm to pankReb
quote:
Why can’t you just tell me?
I’ve responded to you in good faith for hours. It’s repetitive.
Check my post history. I think that thread was started by funbunch. Check his post history.
If you are too lazy to do that then you don’t really want to know.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:24 pm to moneyg
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I’ve responded to you in good faith for hours. It’s repetitive.
No, you haven't. You've outright ignored me several times and then responded in non-answers the others.
Just tell me. The amount of time and effort spent on that post could have easily given me the answer.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:28 pm to moneyg
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You can’t read I guess.
None of your posts define it. It really should not be difficult. Just state your definition of GOPe in specific terms. Don’t use general pronouns like “they”
And be sure to articulate your basis for considering someone like Mitch McConnell to be “GOPe” while excluding people like Lindsey Graham from being “GOPe”
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:32 pm to pankReb
Serious question:
If the Trump-Graham thing never happened, and instead Graham reached out to Desantis and said he wanted to support and back him, even in a outward and open way, let’s say the same exact position as he’s doing for Trump…….do you believe RD would accept the offer, or turn it down altogether?
If the Trump-Graham thing never happened, and instead Graham reached out to Desantis and said he wanted to support and back him, even in a outward and open way, let’s say the same exact position as he’s doing for Trump…….do you believe RD would accept the offer, or turn it down altogether?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:34 pm to Indefatigable
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None of your posts define it. It really should not be difficult. Just state your definition of GOPe in specific terms. Don’t use general pronouns like “they” And be sure to articulate your basis for considering someone like Mitch McConnell to be “GOPe” while excluding people like Lindsey Graham from being “GOPe”
You are either very confused (which explains your position) or you think you are playing defense by being obtuse (which is an admission if who you are).
Either way, we disagree.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:35 pm to davyjones
quote:
Serious question: If the Trump-Graham thing never happened, and instead Graham reached out to Desantis and said he wanted to support and back him, even in a outward and open way, let’s say the same exact position as he’s doing for Trump…….do you believe RD would accept the offer, or turn it down altogether?
Behind closed doors, Graham hates Trump and vice versa.
Behind closed doors, Graham wants Desantis to win.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:37 pm to moneyg
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You are either very confused (which explains your position) or you think you are playing defense by being obtuse (which is an admission if who you are).
Nope. I just want you to define “GOPe”
Why won’t you define “GOPe”?
I don’t want paragraphs about the Bushes, unless it’s in the context of defining “GOPe”. Nothing you post is responsive unless it’s directly defining “GOPe”.
It’s really bizarre that you can’t or won’t do it.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:42 pm to moneyg
I think we’re seeing the concept I mentioned a couple of times earlier. To touch on it again, it’s the idea that not if but when your definition or interpretation of a topic doesn’t match the other person’s own definition or interpretation, that person simply declares that you’re wrong or might even ignore it altogether. Not a knock on anyone, I suppose it’s human nature. However, not something that a person wouldn’t be able to identify and work within those parameters.
We ought to list our definitions on post signature of certain terms, sorta like pronouns.
We ought to list our definitions on post signature of certain terms, sorta like pronouns.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:44 pm to davyjones
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If the Trump-Graham thing never happened, and instead Graham reached out to Desantis and said he wanted to support and back him, even in a outward and open way, let’s say the same exact position as he’s doing for Trump…….do you believe RD would accept the offer, or turn it down altogether?
His endorsement? He'd be happy to get it.
Defining a candidate for office by who supports him is squishy AF, as moneyg is pretending to not be learning. There is myriad reasons a person/organization decides to support/endorse a candidate.
A candidate is far more defined by his own actions and to a lesser extent, his own words, but that becomes problematic for Team Trump.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:46 pm to davyjones
quote:
We ought to list our definitions on post signature of certain terms, sorta like pronouns.
That would be problematic for our friend moneyg here, but I like the idea.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 6:46 pm to Indefatigable
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Nope. I just want you to define “GOPe”
I did.
I suspect you are afraid to make your real point…that it doesn’t exist. It’s noted.
I don’t know why you are afraid to admit that. We already know that’s what you believe.
I’m not even interested in trying to change your mind. I’m just going to point to it to explain why our beliefs are different.
But you don’t have the confidence to admit it. Instead you want to get into a kissing contest if semantics and demands for more info. You lack conviction.
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