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re: Science is debunking itself again
Posted on 9/25/23 at 4:13 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 9/25/23 at 4:13 pm to NC_Tigah
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Until the next mass extinction? Perhaps of our own doing.
I think our response to any ecological collapse will probably be based on technology and present human systems. It’s possible to imagine a scenario where systems collapse quickly or in a way where that is impossible (say if that volcano under Yellowstone suddenly blows) to respond too and remaining humans are reduced to small spread out tribes, but what exactly those pressures would be or how they would cause us to change is beyond my ability to speculate
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 4:14 pm to MAADFACTS
quote:WWIII
It’s possible to imagine a scenario where systems collapse quickly
Posted on 9/25/23 at 4:17 pm to MAADFACTS
quote:We are enjoying an Ice Age interstadial. Speculate on a return of mile thick glaciers engulfing NYC.
but what exactly those pressures would be or how they would cause us to change is beyond my ability to speculate
Posted on 9/25/23 at 4:18 pm to NC_Tigah
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WWIII
That would work, but again I don’t know if humanity would survive nuclear winter and if we did how we would adapt
Posted on 9/25/23 at 4:20 pm to NC_Tigah
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We are enjoying an Ice Age interstadial. Speculate on a return of mile thick glaciers engulfing NYC.
Look and despair
Posted on 9/25/23 at 4:27 pm to MAADFACTS
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Look and despair
Posted on 9/25/23 at 4:34 pm to NC_Tigah
It’s a song modeled off that famous Ozymandias poem “look ye might and despair” about the history of New York City, what gets remembered and celebrated, what gets forgotten, impermanence, and then ends with the whole city eventually being destroyed and forgotten in the distant future. Your post about the glaciers made me think of it.
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The cause is Ozymandian The map of Sapokanikan Is sanded and beveled The land lone and levelled By some unrecorded and powerful hand Which plays along the monument And drums upon a plastic bag "The brave men and women", "so dear to God" And "famous to all of the ages rag" Sing, do you love me? Will you remember? The snow falls above me The renderer renders The event is in the hand of God Beneath a patch of grass Her bones the old Dutch master hid While elsewhere Tobias And the angel disguised What the scholars surmise was a mother and kid Interred with other daughters In dirt in other potter's fields Above them, parades Mark the passing of days Through parks where pale colonnades arch in marble and steel Where all of the twenty-thousand attending your footfall And the cause they died for are lost in the idling bird calls And the records they left are cryptic at best Lost in obsolescence The text will not yield, nor x-ray reveal With any fluorescence Where the hand of the master begins and ends I fell, I tried to do well but I won't be Will you tell the one that I love to remember and hold me? I call and call for the doctor But the snow swallows me whole with old Florry Walker The event lives only in print He said "it's alright" And "it's all over now" and boarded the plane His belt unfastened The boy was known to show unusual daring And called a "boy" This alderman, confounding Tammany Hall In whose employ King Tamanend himself preceded John's fall So we all raise a standard To which the wise and honest soul may repair To which a hunter A hundred years from now, may look and despair And see with wonder The tributes we have left to rust in the parks Swearing that our hair stood on end To see John Purroy Mitchel depart For the Western front where our work might count All exeunt, all go out Await the hunter to decipher the stone And what lies under now the city is gone Look, and despair Look, and despair
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:00 pm to MAADFACTS
I always thought they were just tired of getting bit 
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:01 pm to MAADFACTS
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Within three generations that foxes, with only those that selection criteria had developed round friendly faces and the dispositions of domestic dogs.
I remember reading that they began to bark like domestic dogs, and their straight up pointy ears became droopy and dangly like some domestic dogs.
For the idiots on this site, when I say “began to” and “became”, I’m speaking of successive generations, not that individual animals were changing.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:05 pm to dafif
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How would this work with humans for example- what is out next step in evolution
Mad Facts already gave you an excellent answer. I just wanted to reiterate that there is no “next step” in evolution as if some major change will occur. Change occurs very gradually normally over thousands or millions of years in mammals. For that “step”, you’d have to compare a current member of a species to its ancestors many generations ago to even begin to see a little change.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:32 pm to BamaAtl
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Did you not know that we've created new species from existing ones on our own in the lab?
Really? Like a Chimera?
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:31 pm to Herooftheday
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Really? Like a Chimera?
A chimera is an organism comprised of two separate nuclear genetic codes. They think it happens in animals when fraternal twins’ zygotes fuse and then grow into one organism.
Here’s an example of a woman who conceived and gave birth naturally and the government was positive that it wasn’t her child because the genetics didn’t match.
Real life human chimerism
Rather than trolling and being obtuse, take a moment to learn something new.
Evo 101 speciation in action
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:00 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Rather than trolling and being obtuse
Are you the arbiter of all comments here now? You inserted yourself here. There was no comment to you. You take yourself entirely too seriously.
There comes a point when you reach the fringe. Y'all have arrived.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 11:03 pm to GumboPot
The alternative is for tenured professors to say "yeah, we don't know what the frick happened."
Posted on 9/26/23 at 3:15 am to GumboPot
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seems that all "scientific" theories about creation defy the 1st law of thermo and require at least one miracle.
1st law of thermo? You know that only strictly applies to thermodynamics, right? What if I told you many of the components of the Earth/Sun system are not thermalized ?
Posted on 9/26/23 at 3:38 am to TrueTiger
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But particular subject doesn't matter, big bang, evolution, climate change, will all eventually get their debunking.
Evolution? Jeez. You must know something I don't.
The Friedmann equations don't tell us by themselves what the structure of the early Universe should look like. You've got to use a self gravitating N body simulation for that. And computers are only recently getting to the point where we can simulate a large enough volume with sufficient particle resolution to do realistic modelling of galaxy formation in the early universe. And as it turns out, this so called "crisis" is likely just a matter of sufficiently resolving overdense regions in the early Universe. LINK It's a preprint, currently under review by the Open Journal of Astrophysics. This a newer journal so its overall impact factor is kinda low but last year's impact factor was higher than MNRAS.
This post was edited on 9/26/23 at 3:49 am
Posted on 9/26/23 at 7:02 am to Herooftheday
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Are you the arbiter of all comments here now?
No, hes just madly searching the interwebz trying to find obscure points in order to support his religion, that even the top researchers are now saying "it couldn't have happened that way"
Posted on 9/26/23 at 7:29 am to Herooftheday
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You inserted yourself here. There was no comment to you.
You did the same earlier in the thread. Calm down.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 8:18 am to RobbBobb
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Are you the arbiter of all comments here now? No, hes just madly searching the interwebz trying to find obscure points in order to support his religion, that even the top researchers are now saying "it couldn't have happened that way"
Solid arguments guys, really. If only we were as logical and persuasive as you.
ETA: if you could, since you directly quoted those scientists, could you show us where in their paper they said that? Also, could you find in their paper where the scientists say evolution is false? Please provide more quotes so that we can all learn. Thanks
This post was edited on 9/26/23 at 10:56 am
Posted on 9/26/23 at 8:43 am to Peebles
In terms of your preprint, the authors state:
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Meanwhile, in a situation where singularity and presingularity physics are unknown, what is the basis of singularity energy/mass assumptions requisite for modeling? What is the presumed source of the preexistent mass/energy?
Indeed, in terms of make-it-up-as-we-go, theoretical physicists like Robson propose IAW the Lambda-CDM Model that our universe was created from pure energy. Now, I'll concede I'm not a mathematician, but try as I might, I cannot seem to get E=mc^2 to work in that context, assuming m=0.
quote:The term "concerns" implies emotional worries, and in this case, emotion regarding hypothesis contradictions. In deference to the Scientific Method, why are these terms "concerns" rather than simple uncharacterized observations?
There are concerns that these observations are in tension ...
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Meanwhile, in a situation where singularity and presingularity physics are unknown, what is the basis of singularity energy/mass assumptions requisite for modeling? What is the presumed source of the preexistent mass/energy?
Indeed, in terms of make-it-up-as-we-go, theoretical physicists like Robson propose IAW the Lambda-CDM Model that our universe was created from pure energy. Now, I'll concede I'm not a mathematician, but try as I might, I cannot seem to get E=mc^2 to work in that context, assuming m=0.
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