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re: SCOTUS decision Navy v. Egan. The president has authority to classify.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:28 am to GumboPot
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:28 am to GumboPot
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This certainly implies the president as CiC has the power to declassify also
That's a fair conclusion.
But he can't do anything telekinetically. He has to actually do something.
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Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:29 am to TBoy
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He has to actually do something.
Lay out the exact process.
No opinions or shoulda woulda coulda, the exact process.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:32 am to Stealth Matrix
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"I, President, declassify this document. Signed, President."
Wow. What a process.
I know you are kinda being facetious, but that may actually be enough to declassify a document, or at least to be able to contend with some authority that the document is declassified.
But the President has to actually make that record. If Trump made that record while president for the documents at Mar-a-Lago, we would have all seen it by now.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:40 am to mahdragonz
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But there is a process that will have evidence of that document status.
You can't magically delicious think things from classified to unclassified.
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At the time of original classification, the original classification authority shall establish a specific date or event for declassification based on the duration of the national security sensitivity of the information. Upon reaching the date or event, the information shall be automatically declassified.
But there are procedures, and THEY - not TRUMP - should have followed them.
obamawhitehouse.archives.gov
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:43 am to mahdragonz
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He does.
But there is a process that will have evidence of that document status.
You can't magically delicious think things from classified to unclassified.
Memorandum on Declassification of Certain Materials Related to the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane Investigation
LAW & JUSTICE
Issued on: January 19, 2021
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ALL NEWS
MEMORANDUM FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
THE DIRECTOR OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
SUBJECT: Declassification of Certain Materials Related to the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane Investigation
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I hereby direct the following:
Section 1. Declassification and Release. At my request, on December 30, 2020, the Department of Justice provided the White House with a binder of materials related to the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation. Portions of the documents in the binder have remained classified and have not been released to the Congress or the public. I requested the documents so that a declassification review could be performed and so I could determine to what extent materials in the binder should be released in unclassified form.
I determined that the materials in that binder should be declassified to the maximum extent possible. In response, and as part of the iterative process of the declassification review, under a cover letter dated January 17, 2021, the Federal Bureau of Investigation noted its continuing objection to any further declassification of the materials in the binder and also, on the basis of a review that included Intelligence Community equities, identified the passages that it believed it was most crucial to keep from public disclosure. I have determined to accept the redactions proposed for continued classification by the FBI in that January 17 submission.
I hereby declassify the remaining materials in the binder. This is my final determination under the declassification review and I have directed the Attorney General to implement the redactions proposed in the FBI’s January 17 submission and return to the White House an appropriately redacted copy.
My decision to declassify materials within the binder is subject to the limits identified above and does not extend to materials that must be protected from disclosure pursuant to orders of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court and does not require the disclosure of certain personally identifiable information or any other materials that must be protected from disclosure under applicable law. Accordingly, at my direction, the Attorney General has conducted an appropriate review to ensure that materials provided in the binder may be disclosed by the White House in accordance with applicable law.
Sec. 2. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this memorandum shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or
(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This memorandum shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c) This memorandum is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
(d) The Attorney General is authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.
DONALD J. TRUMP
LINK
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:45 am to mahdragonz
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He does. But there is a process that will have evidence of that document status. You can't magically delicious think things from classified to unclassified.
So we should be raiding Obama’s home rt about now.
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 11:46 am
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:45 am to Auburn1968
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Auburn1968
You keep posting that, but neither Trump nor his lawyers have claimed in Court (where they can't lie) that those are the stolen documents the FBI recovered last month.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:46 am to mahdragonz
Point us to whatever process you believe has been consistently adhered to by every President. Take your time.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:47 am to BamaAtl
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You keep posting that, but neither Trump nor his lawyers have claimed in Court (where they can't lie) that those are the stolen documents the FBI recovered last month.
What documents were stolen?
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:47 am to BamaAtl
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:50 am to BamaAtl
Like Obama did?
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:51 am to BamaAtl
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You keep posting that, but neither Trump nor his lawyers have claimed in Court (where they can't lie) that those are the stolen documents the FBI recovered last month.
Did the DNC bot farm tell you that in order to give you hope that they are going to really get him this time.
Of course, the same group that did the bogus Crossfire Hurricane "investigation" don't want their dirty and criminal deeds exposed.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:52 am to BlueHeeler
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just this week the Special Master trump chose, plus 3 federal judges on the 11th circuit, 2 of whom trump appointed, said these docs are still classified. trumps lawyers do not dispute that. judge cannon, who trump also appointed, does not dispute that.
Please stop lying to the board.
Here is Judge Dearie's actual quote. Pay close attention to the bolded and underlined part.
That's a huge if in his assumption that you are espousing as proven fact.
“It’s not just a matter, it seems to me, of being cleared. It is a matter of need to know. And if you need to know, you will know,” said Judge Dearie. “That’s the way I see it. If I can make my judgments without—I don’t want to see the material—it’s presumably sensitive material. If I can make my recommendation to Judge Cannon, right or wrong, without exposing myself or you to that material, I will do it. On the other hand, if I can’t, we have to take another alternative.”
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:53 am to BamaAtl
Because they know they don't have to.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:53 am to BlueHeeler
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Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:56 am to Powerman
Unless the FBI/DOJ planted stuff when his attorneys were forbidden to monitor their unlawful raid.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:58 am to TBoy
He has to? Says who? Again, for you really slow people . . . there is NO AUTHORITY in our Constitutional system that can bind the Article 2 powers of the executive. I just can't fathom why so many people are apparently unable to grasp this concept. There is no statute. There is no act of any other branch. There is no process which can limit or restrain The President's power in this regard. NONE!
Posted on 9/23/22 at 12:02 pm to tigerfan 64
Exactly. The SM is speaking about his powers and the powers of the court . . . NOT The President's powers. These are The President's papers. He says they're declassified.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 12:05 pm to GumboPot
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Link? Seriously is there a link? Is this presidential memorandum LINK insufficient to this unknown declassification process?
I don’t have a link to “the” process, but here is an example of when Trump used a process on 1/19/21.
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January 19, 2021 Memorandum for the Attorney General, the Director of National Intelligence, and the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency
quote:
Subject: Declassification of Certain Materials Related to the FBI's Crossfire Hurricane Investigation By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I hereby direct the following:
quote:
Section 1. Declassification and Release. At my request, on December 30, 2020, the Department of Justice provided the White House with a binder of materials related to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Crossfire Hurricane investigation. Portions of the documents in the binder have remained classified and have not been released to the Congress or the public. I requested the documents so that a declassification review could be performed and so I could determine to what extent materials in the binder should be released in unclassified form.
quote:
I determined that the materials in that binder should be declassified to the maximum extent possible. In response, and as part of the iterative process of the declassification review, under a cover letter dated January 17, 2021, the Federal Bureau of Investigation noted its continuing objection to any further declassification of the materials in the binder and also, on the basis of a review that included Intelligence Community equities, identified the passages that it believed it was most crucial to keep from public disclosure. I have determined to accept the redactions proposed for continued classification by the FBI in that January 17 submission.
quote:
I hereby declassify the remaining materials in the binder. This is my final determination under the declassification review and I have directed the Attorney General to implement the redactions proposed in the FBI's January 17 submission and return to the White House an appropriately redacted copy.
This is a process he used to declassify almost all of the Russian investigation. Some of the Russian investigation is still classified.
LINK
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 9/23/22 at 12:13 pm to BlueHeeler
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never released a single page, never suggested he would, its pure message board fantasy.
He can’t. It’s an ongoing investigation.
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