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re: Section 8 is a curse
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:31 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:31 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Truth. I struggle with the whole concept of rewarding failure. I know it's disguised as helping disadvantaged. It always starts there -good intentions. Then it gets into "where do you draw the lines" and then "who draws them". Not a good exercise to implement from afar in my opinion. Bring those decisions closer to home and you get more accountability.
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:31 pm to KeyserSoze999
quote:This one gets it.
the market rate would be much lower if the subsidized rates were taken out, if anyone needs compassion, its those who actually work for their money, subsidize those who don't work, then pay more for rent because it has been artificially inflated.
I've never understood why being a leech is virtuous, and subsidizing the poor is demonized.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:32 pm to RadTiger
quote:
Do you hate little babies with heart defects?
Sure, why not.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:33 pm to Taxing Authority
When you subsidize something, you get more of it.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:40 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Potholes and bulletholes FTW....
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:43 pm to Tingle
Another good reason to get rid of separate programs, just hand out checks.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:47 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:
Another good reason to get rid of separate programs, just hand out checks.
You mean just hand out our tax dollars. Yeah great solution.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:50 pm to Tingle
quote:
Section 8 is a curse
Agreed.
A-holes like the one that pushed the OP out of his neighborhood are why we have zoning laws. People just don't understand that you have to work for where you want to live, it can't be handed out willy nilly.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:51 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Section 8 may be bad in some ways, but it allows folks who can't afford the market rate for rents to have a place to live.
Do you want more homeless families?
Stop enabling them.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 12:00 am to Tigah in the ATL
quote:
Another good reason to get rid of separate programs, just hand out checks.
If we're going to subsidize folks, this is the way to go. Cut all the bureaucracy. I doubt many will go for it though. Some think poor folks will make bad choices and want to control how they will spend the check. I figure we'll end up with guaranteed income, or Mincome in the future.
Mincome has been attempted in controlled attempts in several areas of the US but the broader attempt was in Manitoba, CA in the 1970's. LINK
The biggest issue they had was underestimating how much money it would actually take.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 1:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
I'm totally for this if we're forced to keep entitlements. Savings all over taking out overlapping programs and all those government employees.
As for spending unwisely, one check a month. If they frick that up our hands are clean.
Last line of assistance is we send them a tent with instructions.
Poverty in this country is a breeze compared to the rest of the world
As for spending unwisely, one check a month. If they frick that up our hands are clean.
Last line of assistance is we send them a tent with instructions.
Poverty in this country is a breeze compared to the rest of the world
This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 1:20 am
Posted on 8/25/14 at 1:20 am to constant cough
quote:
quote:
Another good reason to get rid of separate programs, just hand out checks.
You mean just hand out our tax dollars. Yeah great solution.
Could just hand out tax credits, instead. Or do you oppose the government collecting less money?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 1:48 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Section 8 is a cursequote:Section 8 is a curseSection 8 may be bad in some ways, but it allows folks who can't afford the market rate for rents to have a place to live. Do you want more homeless families?
This is the infuriating canard played by the left, as though its an all or nothing situation.. It is funny how fairness always seems to rest on the collective guilt and responsibility of the successful rather than on the irresponsible behavior of those demanding fairness.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 1:50 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Section 8 may be bad in some ways, but it allows folks who can't afford the market rate for rents to have a place to live.
Do you want more homeless families?
I want more homeless families so that I can develop properties catering to lower-income folks, so that we both have a mutual benefit rather than them being a burdern on the taxpayer (ie me).
Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:22 am to HempHead
I've seen section 8 in my neighborhood and surrounding neighborhoods. Half of these homes are deteriorating. The grass is cut, but they don't know how to maintain the house or don't want to or don't care to. They have mold on the walls, need paint, and have rotting trim.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 7:55 am to Tingle
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I grew up in a middle class neighborhood with virtually no crime. About ten years ago, a POS who owns multiple homes in the neighborhood decided to divide his properties into two and rent them Sec 8. Well, the neighborhood quickly went to shite and we hauled arse out of there. Now someone was just murdered in the house I grew up in. Thank you Section 8.
I agree with all of this.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 7:56 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Section 8 may be bad in some ways, but it allows folks who can't afford the market rate for rents to have a place to live.
Do you want more homeless families?
1. It artificially inflates the market rate because government picks up the tab, making market demand inelastic relative to price.
2. Most Section 8 people wouldn't be homeless otherwise, or so I would guess based on the section 8 neighborhoods I drive through regularly with 50" TV's, BMW's in the driveway, ect.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:00 am to KeyserSoze999
quote:
the market rate would be much lower if the subsidized rates were taken out, if anyone needs compassion, its those who actually work for their money, subsidize those who don't work, then pay more for rent because it has been artificially inflated. There is plenty of charitable people in America, the government needs to GTFO
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:00 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
main problem is in 88 or so they classified drug and alcohol abuse as "disabled".
Now you are paying for crackheads and drunks to live next to you.
Cut them off.
Now you are paying for crackheads and drunks to live next to you.
Cut them off.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:02 am to kingbob
quote:
I drive through regularly with 50" TV's, BMW's in the driveway, ect.
Not to be a dick, but keeping a 50" tv in the driveway doesn't sound like a good idea.
So, they are stupid too.
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