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re: Sen. Rand Paul walks out of Paul Ryan meeting
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:04 am to cahoots
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:04 am to cahoots
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Not that I'm a fan of either, but at least Dems do why they say.
Actually, they did what they did without even saying what they did. (We have to pass it, to see what's in it) I think it's a valid distinction.
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:05 am to tigerfootball10
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That was my pick for President.
Next meeting he should break the table in half and kick the chair out from under Ryan before walking out. Go Rand.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:05 am to Jimbeaux
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He's being a bitch. Tax credits attached to medical spending accounts is way to introduce some limited market forces into the health care industry which is badly needed.
The perplexing and myriad "system" in place before Obamacare was an expensive mishmash of government regulations, tax credits/shelters, insurance company control with more regulations, FDA processes with more regulation, prescription company copyright protection for drugs partially developed with government funding, university research,and charitable sources, Medicare and Medicaid funding, government hospitals on the state and federal level, etc. etc.
Objecting to government involvement in an attempt to put back market forces to help with price and quality control measures is short sighted in the extreme.
Don't bring facts or logic in here! You'll be called a cuck by fricknugget.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:06 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Establishment Republicans may be worse than democrats.
Yes cause they are pussies. At least Dems fight
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:09 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Actually, they did what they did without even saying what they did. (We have to pass it, to see what's in it) I think it's a valid distinction.
Sure.
Still closer to keeping promises than the current republican effort.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:10 am to tigerfootball10
Do you cucks not realize this is in accordance with what Trump is saying?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:16 am to The Spleen
Wrong. You are so wrong.
ACA is an even bigger regulatory nightmare than what exited before.
If you start with a straw man, that Republicans hate poor people and don't want to improve access to health care for the poor but instead only care about the rich and the corporations, then you can spew the ignorance that, wow, look at how the Republicans loathe hurting the poor by taking away the manna given to them by Big Government Liberals.
Ignore that the health care industry was already quite jacked up and intricately enmeshed in Government regulation and largesse. And was ineffectual for many.
Continue the ignorance by creating another false and untenable idea that healthcare is a "right".
Criticize Republicans for wanting to keep certain safeguards that THEY WERE NEVER OPPOSED TO IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Create a false equivalency that any plan that allows for better health care access for the poor and middle class is de facto the same as Obamacare.
All for the purpose of a short term political "win" with no regard to the facts or to what her or not a plan is feasable, and/or better than the last.
Refuse to acknowledge that ACA was a shitshow that NEEDS to be fixed, if not outright scrapped, even if Dems were in power, because it does not achieve what it ostensibly was created to achieve.
ACA is an even bigger regulatory nightmare than what exited before.
If you start with a straw man, that Republicans hate poor people and don't want to improve access to health care for the poor but instead only care about the rich and the corporations, then you can spew the ignorance that, wow, look at how the Republicans loathe hurting the poor by taking away the manna given to them by Big Government Liberals.
Ignore that the health care industry was already quite jacked up and intricately enmeshed in Government regulation and largesse. And was ineffectual for many.
Continue the ignorance by creating another false and untenable idea that healthcare is a "right".
Criticize Republicans for wanting to keep certain safeguards that THEY WERE NEVER OPPOSED TO IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Create a false equivalency that any plan that allows for better health care access for the poor and middle class is de facto the same as Obamacare.
All for the purpose of a short term political "win" with no regard to the facts or to what her or not a plan is feasable, and/or better than the last.
Refuse to acknowledge that ACA was a shitshow that NEEDS to be fixed, if not outright scrapped, even if Dems were in power, because it does not achieve what it ostensibly was created to achieve.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:22 am to Jimbeaux
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Wrong. You are so wrong.
ACA is an even bigger regulatory nightmare than what exited before.
If you start with a straw man, that Republicans hate poor people and don't want to improve access to health care for the poor but instead only care about the rich and the corporations, then you can spew the ignorance that, wow, look at how the Republicans loathe hurting the poor by taking away the manna given to them by Big Government Liberals.
Ignore that the health care industry was already quite jacked up and intricately enmeshed in Government regulation and largesse. And was ineffectual for many.
Continue the ignorance by creating another false and untenable idea that healthcare is a "right".
Criticize Republicans for wanting to keep certain safeguards that THEY WERE NEVER OPPOSED TO IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Create a false equivalency that any plan that allows for better health care access for the poor and middle class is de facto the same as Obamacare.
All for the purpose of a short term political "win" with no regard to the facts or to what her or not a plan is feasable, and/or better than the last.
Refuse to acknowledge that ACA was a shitshow that NEEDS to be fixed, if not outright scrapped, even if Dems were in power, because it does not achieve what it ostensibly was created to achieve.
Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, and yep.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:24 am to tigerfootball10
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That was my pick for President.
100x better than the choices we were given
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:30 am to goldennugget
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Donald Trump has ZERO intention of repealing Obamacare
FTFY
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:35 am to SoulGlo
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Next meeting he should break the table in half and kick the chair out from under Ryan before walking out. Go Rand.
Agreed. I wonder if Speaker Ryan spoke about his way, --a better way--plan in the meeting?
Lou Dobbs and I don't like or trust Ryan.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:36 am to goldennugget
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It's going to take Trump whipping up the troops and arm twisting
You honestly think he'll do this?
Republican control of the Senate is by a hair's breadth. He has to temper certain demands, otherwise all it takes is 1-2 that are in a permanent "No to Trump" because he actively pissed him off to turn it into a vote desperation grab, where one or two "swing" Republicans can make outrageous demands to keep their votes.
Once you're in the senate, and your state is a traditionally red one, you can take a dump on the WH lawn and you're not very likely to get ousted.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:36 am to TN Bhoy
Stupid and wrong. Just willful ignorance on display.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:43 am to AUbused
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42 Times.
42 times the house passed repeal while Obama was in office.
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:47 am to Jimbeaux
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Wrong. You are so wrong
Not sure what your rant has to do with my post. None of your points really addressed what I said.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:49 am to Lou Pai
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Do you cucks not realize this is in accordance with what Trump is saying?
I was expecting Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell to be more conservative than Trump and essentially force him more right. I guess Trump will have to force congress right on this issue at least.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 11:53 am
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:49 am to GumboPot
It would surprise me if Trump dragged Congress left on this issue.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:58 am to CorporateTiger
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It would surprise me if Trump dragged Congress left on this issue.
Why? He was once a Liberal Democrat. Dude could change back. He doesn't owe anybody anything.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:58 am to CorporateTiger
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It would surprise me if Trump dragged Congress left on this issue.
I agree. Trump said during the campaign that he basically wants regular market insurance for non-poor people and shitty Medicare for poor people. "We can't have people dying in the streets". At the time I kind of ignored his position relying on the fact that I thought congress would force his hand further right on healthcare.
Bad assumption on my part. GOPers in congress seem to be quite content with Obamacare and its expansion.
Sucks for us.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:02 pm to goldennugget
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GOP leadership has ZERO intention of repealing Obamacare
No idea why people still can't see this
It's going to take Trump whipping up the troops and arm twisting and rogue congressman and senators like Rand Paul to get it done
Agreed. It was plain as day to me after the 'conservative' SCOTUS ruled to keep it in place. The GOPe never really intended to repeal or replace it. They just liked to run on repealing it.
Also: Ryan is a fricking snake.
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