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Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:01 am to the808bass
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Churches cannot do whatever they want with their money and maintain their tax exempt status. They are expressly forbidden from being involved in political speech.
Right. I don’t support tax exempt status for any organization, hence my other opinion that I don’t care what they do with their money.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:01 am to AggieHank86
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So, by excluding religious organizations from property taxes, the government is de facto funding those organizations (at least in part). If funding a religion is not an indicia of an official state "established religion," it is in the neighborhood.
I think I’ll take Thurgood Marshall’s opinion on that over yours.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:01 am to Indefatigable
But you would be fine with taxing them while they are still not allowed political speech.
And you would be fine with thousands of churches closing their doors because they couldn’t afford the property tax.
And you would be fine with thousands of churches closing their doors because they couldn’t afford the property tax.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 9:03 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:02 am to fareplay
Then tax every charity organization
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:02 am to the808bass
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But you would be fine with taxing them while they are still not allowed political speech.
Why are you making things up? Removing the exemptions removes whatever conditions the exemptions impose.
I don’t give a shite what churches say either.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 9:03 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:03 am to El Segundo Guy
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I thought I made it clear. All real estate should get taxed unless it's county, state, Corps of Engineer, etc. Every single parcel. Regardless of any set of status.
lol imagine arguing for our mall parking lot circus of a government to steal more tax dollars off of money that's already been taxed because "muh not fair."
We need fewer taxes, not more.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 9:06 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:05 am to the808bass
quote:That was childish.
Property tax exemption is essentially a government subsidy.quote:
The Supreme Court disagrees with your gay arse.
Re-read the OP. The question presented is NOT a legal one, asking for an interpretation of current SCOTUS precedent as to what MAY be taxed. Rather, it is a policy question, asking what SHOULD be taxed.
I think that many "charitable" organizations abuse this exemption, including many churches. As such, I do not see that it is narrowly-tailored to a valid policy objective, and that their property should be taxed exactly the same as the property of any other person or entity. You are free to disagree.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 9:14 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:07 am to JiminyCricket
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We need fewer taxes, not more.
Sure. But as long as the property tax exists, it should be applied equal to all property owners.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:10 am to AggieHank86
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by excluding religious organizations from property taxes, the government is de facto funding those organizations
The traditional progressive viewpoint.
If they talk long enough, they reveal themselves.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:12 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:You see opposition to government subsidies as being a "progressive" position?
by excluding religious organizations from property taxes, the government is de facto funding those organizationsquote:
The traditional progressive viewpoint
Whatever you say, Hawking.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 9:15 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:12 am to Indefatigable
Sure. But as long as the property tax exists, it should be applied equal to all property owners.
Which tax is applied equally? Certainly not income tax.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:13 am to fareplay
Yes. They should pay property tax on every parcel owned and any revenue they earn beyond their expenses should be taxed as any other business as long as such taxes exist (they should be eliminated). Would be the death knell of any politician who brought it up though.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:13 am to Indefatigable
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Sure. But as long as the property tax exists, it should be applied equal to all property owners.
I get why mega churches rub people the wrong way with their extravagant expenditures and massive salaries, but folks don't realize the majority of churches are not giant money making operations. Taxing them when they already can barely pay the bills would, I'd imagine, lead to many of these smaller churches closing their doors and all you'd have left are the megachurches that have the cash backing to make it work. People are trying to stick it to the megas but it's the community churches who would get hammered the most.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:14 am to RogerTheShrubber
Churches should pay property taxes on properties other than the property that houses the sanctuary in my opinion.
Also they should pay taxes on investment income on funds that are not restricted. Again my opinion.
Also they should pay taxes on investment income on funds that are not restricted. Again my opinion.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:14 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Stop with the disingenuous red herrings. He is not DISCUSSING income taxes.
Which tax is applied equally? Certainly not income tax.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:14 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Which tax is applied equally? Certainly not income tax.
And guess what?
I also oppose the unequal application of income tax.
If we can’t talk about one issue because similar concepts also apply to some other issue, what is it that we can discuss?
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 9:17 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:15 am to Pettifogger
Because if you go after the churches, you must go after unions. Dems can say it but they really don’t want to open that can of worms.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:16 am to JiminyCricket
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I get why mega churches rub people the wrong way with their extravagant expenditures and massive salaries, but folks don't realize the majority of churches are not giant money making operations.
For some reason people insist that my position is based in some vindictive hatred of religion. It’s not.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:18 am to Indefatigable
quote:It is a typical kneejerk reaction. Even "conservatives" forget their principles, when it is THEIR ox being gored.
For some reason people insist that my position is based in some vindictive hatred of religion. It’s not.
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