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re: Some thoughts on IQ
Posted on 8/2/25 at 12:05 pm to dickkellog
Posted on 8/2/25 at 12:05 pm to dickkellog
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here in merica n' such we have this stuff called money and that's how we measure success, the more you have the smarter you are!
Kamala Harris' net worth is estimated to be around $8 million.
Maxine Waters' net worth estimated at $3.7 million.
Whoopi Goldberg net worth estimated to be around $60 million.
Joy Behar estimated net worth $28 million.
Don Lemon estimated net worth $20 million.
Joy Reid estimated net worth $4 million.
Dylan Mulvaney estimated net worth $2 million.
Cenk Uygur estimated net worth $3 million.
Sorry about your theory.
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Posted on 8/2/25 at 12:12 pm to 4cubbies
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Yes. That was the claim the poster referenced
It was not and either you are a flagrant lying count or completely retarded with no ability in reading comprehension. There's a reason you're not linking the claim that you're claiming exists. This is why you're a fricking piece of shite
Posted on 8/2/25 at 12:13 pm to 4cubbies
quote:it really wouldn't tell you that much at all because you would be comparing people who were nearly 100% black to people with various fractions of black
Re: the rest of your post. I wonder if the descendants of American slaves have the same average IQ as black people in other countries that aren’t the descendants of slaves. I think that would help demonstrate whether or not centuries of oppression had a measurable impact on IQ
Posted on 8/2/25 at 12:15 pm to Narax
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Agreed, I'm sure a number of people still consider the scores they get online proof of their genius.
Having taken legitimate tests what I will say is the few times I've messed with the online ones they seem to think I'm smarter. Take that for what you will. But I have a sneaking suspicion that everyone taking the online tests are getting slightly bumped scores. It wasn't egregious but it was noticeable
Posted on 8/2/25 at 12:20 pm to Auburn1968
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You might enjoy C.W. Taylor's book on the history of innovation and invention. He was the head recruiter for NASA in its startup days.
He probably recruited my paternal grandfather in the late 50s. That’s how my dad’s side of the family ended up in New Orleans for a few decades.
In the spirit of the genetics vs environment IQ debate, my grandpa was obviously high IQ but my dad is a college dropout and not the kind that claims they were “too smart” for college.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 12:36 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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it really wouldn't tell you that much at all because you would be comparing people who were nearly 100% black to people with various fractions of black
Not to mention that much of Africa was in legal slavery much longer than in the USA.
In Parts of Nigeria, slavery made it untouched till 1936.
In Sudan there were slave revolts in 1946.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 12:47 pm to Narax
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No one claimed that or believed that was the claim but you. You really misinterpreted it.
That’s the thing. I didn’t interpret it. I read it. You are doing mental gymnastics to claim the OP used the wrong words to express himself. You made that up.
These are the words that were used that you claim mean something other than their actual definitions
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Specifically that black parents in America do not read to (or even talk to) their children the way other races do when they are very young. They said this cut across income levels and education levels.
It’s ironic that you are assuming the OP did not use precise language in a thread about IQ.
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So if that's your metric... there has been no oppression.
So black Americans have the same IQs as European and Asian Americans?
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Again, that's much higher than most sub Sahara nations.
Which corroborates my assumption that environment significantly impacts IQ. There are data sets that prove and disprove that.
This post was edited on 8/2/25 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 8/2/25 at 12:47 pm to Narax
Haven't read this whole thread but the issue of dogs probably hasn't come up. IQ is very genetic with dog breeds. Border Collies have MUCH higher IQs than Afghan hounds. Sure, dogs with more training can do more things. But a high IQ breed learns much faster and learns more directions than a low IQ breed.
People and dogs are both mammals.
People and dogs are both mammals.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 12:49 pm to Narax
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Not to mention that much of Africa was in legal slavery much longer than in the USA.
That oppression could help explain why their IQs are lower than American blacks.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 12:54 pm to 4cubbies
quote:I think you're right.
I think that would help demonstrate whether or not centuries of oppression had a measurable impact on IQ.
For West Africans in regions of slave origin, sources generally report average IQs ranging from about 45 to 70, depending on the country and methodology. For example, Liberia and Sierra Leone—two West African nations—are often cited with some of the lowest average IQs globally, around 45.
Meanwhile, African Americans average an IQ of around 85. That's a chasm of difference.
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Posted on 8/2/25 at 12:56 pm to OceanMan
quote:Yes.
Seems like we are constantly just estimating each other’s IQ but does anyone actually test out?
Posted on 8/2/25 at 1:10 pm to Narax
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Compare pre and post 1965.
Right. I’m not disputing anything you posted about single parents.
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But somehow you seem psychologically unable to even conceive of the idea that black women and children would be much better off with a husband and a father in the house.
of course they would. I’ve never claimed that single parenting is preferable to a nuclear family according to any metric. quote:
What is the problem recognizing that 70%+ illegitimate children is a cultural problem.
It’s the intended result of deliberate governmental policies in the USA.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 1:13 pm to 4cubbies
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That’s the thing. I didn’t interpret it. I read it. You are doing mental gymnastics to claim the OP used the wrong words to express himself. You made that up.
These are the words that were used that you claim mean something other than their actual definitions
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wackatimesthree Posted on 8/2/25 at 11:55 am to 4cubbies
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Yes. That was the claim the poster referenced.
Not if you are referring to me it wasn't.
Absolutely not.
Wacka literally told you that your interpretation of his post was wrong.
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It’s ironic that you are assuming the OP did not use precise language in a thread about IQ.
He literally addressed this and said your interpretation of his words was WRONG.
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So black Americans have the same IQs as European and Asian Americans?
I mean depending on what your interpretation what IQ means is.
If you mean their scores, they are doing far better than the vast majority of Africa, but are not doing better than the other two groups because a number of them are in single parent households which holds back Child IQ development.
If you mean fundamentally, then yes, I think their fundamental IQ is similar to European/Asian Americans.
Do I have proof for this, no.
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Which corroborates my assumption that environment significantly impacts IQ. There are data sets that prove and disprove that.
You make a lot of assumptions.
I've posted for days data supporting the known fact that environment significantly affects IQ scores.
Your problem is that you are desperate to show that oh if we just make the minorities rich they will be smart.
It's not nor has never been true.
The Middle East is full of money, but these oil rich states score very meh to worse than meh on PISA and IQ rankings.
Culture builds intelligence.
Poor Jews in the Pale in Tsarist Russia were oppressed like all hell but produced repeated geniuses.
Russia is full of poverty, they have a reasonably high out of wedlock rates, but studies have shown that many of those out of wedlock households are long term monogamous, married except for the paperwork. They often score very well on IQ tests.
China, Japan, same story, strong stable households, cultural priorities of childhood development.
I've answered you, now why are you so aggressively attacking people for stating the facts that single Parent households produce statistically worse children.
We know that, it's the core to the poverty cycle.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 1:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:170+ eh?
One thing that super high IQ people love to do is take IQ tests. Anytime you read a bio on one of those 170+ guys (note : not me)
A bio on one of those 170+ guys is more likely to be a crock of crap re: the 170 IQ claim, than an accurate iteration. For perspective, there are about twice as many billionaires in the US as there are "170+ guys."
quote:That was the Mensa game back in the day. For all I know, it still is.
taking IQ tests is almost always a hobby.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 1:18 pm to NC_Tigah
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Meanwhile, African Americans average an IQ of around 85. That's a chasm of difference.
When considering why Asians have higher IQs than Europeans who have higher IQs than Africans, I wondered if the cultures or regions that advanced earlier have higher IQs. Those would include Chinese, Middle Eastern people, Egyptians, etc but it doesn’t look like that is the case, except for the Chinese.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 1:20 pm to 4cubbies
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It’s the intended result of deliberate governmental policies in the USA.
I agree, I'm not claiming they are naturally worse people than white people.
They were the last poor Urban group when welfare hit.
Welfare replaced the male role, that was an atrocity.
So can we agree that the lack of a nuclear family both creates less attention and reading for the children, and can significantly affect their IQ, which is a leading indicator for everything from Education to Incarceration to Earnings to life expectancy.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 1:25 pm to 4cubbies
quote:India and Pakistan would call that hypothesis to question.
When considering why Asians have higher IQs than Europeans who have higher IQs than Africans, I wondered if the cultures or regions that advanced earlier have higher IQs
Posted on 8/2/25 at 1:29 pm to Zach
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Haven't read this whole thread but the issue of dogs probably hasn't come up. IQ is very genetic with dog breeds. Border Collies have MUCH higher IQs than Afghan hounds. Sure, dogs with more training can do more things. But a high IQ breed learns much faster and learns more directions than a low IQ breed.
People and dogs are both mammals.
I agree with your premise, but humans are mutts, we aren't bred specifically for intelligence, with the losers in that category drowned or sterilized.
I do think you could do this with our DNA, I do think some families have more beneficial traits.
But across huge genetically diverse populations like White, Black and Asian Americans...
You aren't going to see a huge common genetic marker to the whole group.
Now if there was a isolated tribe somewhere, or a long term population such as the San people, I think you could find genetic trends.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 1:32 pm to NC_Tigah
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India and Pakistan would call that hypothesis to question.
Other Asian countries don’t jive with that theory though. Mesopotamian countries would have the highest IQs but they don’t. East Asians outperform West Asians despite West and South Asian societies having earlier advancements.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 1:37 pm to Narax
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Wacka literally told you that your interpretation of his post was wrong.
I didn’t interpret his post but I missed his post saying he didn’t mean what he wrote.
This conversation has gone so far off course that I don’t even know what we’re debating anymore.
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