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re: Some thoughts on IQ
Posted on 8/3/25 at 7:08 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 8/3/25 at 7:08 pm to 4cubbies
there any actual evidence to support any of these claims
There is the shining example of Kamala from the dems
Kamala was the best and brightest of the democrats and is as dumb as a brick…
As far as only property owners voting, that is a simple filter to cut out those incapable of having skin in the game…..
There is the shining example of Kamala from the dems
Kamala was the best and brightest of the democrats and is as dumb as a brick…
As far as only property owners voting, that is a simple filter to cut out those incapable of having skin in the game…..
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Posted on 8/3/25 at 7:17 pm to dukkbill
Yea LLMs do weird shite...
The odd thing is that every LLM falls into that pattern.
We really only have one LLM, just a bunch of companies training it on similar data.
Posted on 8/3/25 at 7:19 pm to 4cubbies
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Did you attend public schools? Do you feel you received an inferior education because you didn’t take a standardized test every year starting in third grade?
I know this is not to me, but generations younger than you did get lots of testing. The generation ahead of you is the first real Carter DOE education system and were tested out the wazoo, especially if labeled “gifted” Neither have a real comparator because they only have their experience. One would need to have some comparator to form an inference. That typically only occurs if you become in or adjacent to the education system
Nevertheless, you can maximize your education experience both within and without the public education system. For the former, attainment outcomes are measurably better in most charter systems, and there are usually private options that can outperform public options. Nevertheless, if you send a kid to Doofus Tech for prejudicial reasons or because you think the cost itself makes it better, then you will not have better outcomes
To know it’s Doofus Tech you have to have a measure. Qualitative measures get tribal and suffer based on the expensiveness of your network. Quantitative measures even when simplified to one dimensional scalar projections still give you some measure
This post was edited on 8/3/25 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 8/3/25 at 7:26 pm to Narax
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Yea LLMs do weird shite...
I just thought it was a joke, like ask to choose a rational number between 1 and -1, you answer -0.08333333
Posted on 8/3/25 at 7:31 pm to dukkbill
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I just thought it was a joke, like ask to choose a rational number between 1 and -1, you answer -0.08333333
Nope, that was Gemini
I just queried GPT
It's worth trying
Posted on 8/3/25 at 7:59 pm to Narax
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Covid messed many things up, most children are significantly behind still.
Not in Louisiana (academically at least).
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Five years after the pandemic first closed the nation's schools, national test scores show students backsliding in reading all over the United States.
There was one exception: Louisiana. In 2019, Louisiana's fourth graders ranked 50th in the country for reading. Now, they've risen to 16th.
According to an even more granular analysis, Louisiana is the only state that has not only made a "full recovery" from the pandemic in both math and reading, but has improved upon its reading scores since 2019. Nearby Alabama has done the same in math. Those results come from the Education Recovery Scorecard, a joint venture by researchers at Harvard and Stanford
LINK
Posted on 8/3/25 at 8:05 pm to anc
I’ve scored an IQ of 142 and don’t feel like I’m anything special. I really good at some things.. I don’t get it.
Posted on 8/3/25 at 8:06 pm to 4cubbies
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Not in Louisiana (academically at least).
OK, but isn't that important to know?
Alabama has done very well as well.
If a state is falling behind, then their graduates will be at a disadvantage in the job market.
Posted on 8/3/25 at 8:35 pm to dukkbill
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most knowledge base “testing” doesn’t measure what we need for AoL. They just measure memory.
That’s not really accurate for the standardized testing of today. I personally think the tests are flawed (I’m sure you’re all shocked). I would have loved to hear the person who wrote certain questions justify their reasoning for the “correct” answer in many instances while taking practice tests, particularly for high school equivalency diploma tests. I think there’s too must discretion involved in some of the higher order thinking question answers.
quote:this doesn’t really apply to standardized tests. No one knows what’s on them before they are given. In Louisiana, teachers aren’t allowed to read the test while they are being taken. They risk losing their credentials permanently if they are caught looking at the tests.
Today’s student can get paralyzed if you don’t give the a “study guide” which translates to “ two pages to memorize. “
quote:I taught at a number of public schools that used standard American curriculum. I attended parochial schools until college. My kids attend an IB school. I never had the option to take foreign language until high school. None of the schools I taught at offered foreign language. My kids have been taking Spanish daily since they were in pre-K.
I’d have to know which measures you think show a dumbing down, but on some measures it’s a selection phenomenon.
Many schools cut back on recess time or discontinued it completely when No Child Left Behind passed to make more time for test prep. I had multiple opportunities for unstructured play when I was in grammar school. Two recesses per day through 8th grade. Even when I taught kindergarten and first grade in public schools, kids had one brief 10-15 minute recess per day. That’s not enough time for unstructured play for kids that age. It inhibits development and creativity. My kids get two recesses per day at their IB school- at least in the early grades (pk-2). My oldest is entering third grade.
Those are some very basic ways American public education impedes kids in the name of testing. There’s no standardized foreign language tests starting in elementary school. Recess cuts into time that could be spent preparing to pass the state test.
Posted on 8/3/25 at 9:01 pm to Narax
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OK, but isn't that important to know?
There are other ways to extract this information than one annual standardized test. For most of public education’s history in this country, mandated standardized testing wasn’t a thing.
Posted on 8/3/25 at 9:06 pm to dukkbill
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attainment outcomes are measurably better in most charter systems
Absolutely not. Please don’t buy into the propaganda.
Posted on 8/3/25 at 9:18 pm to 4cubbies
You are so dishonest. Poor people will vote for those that promise more free stuff for them. Free stuff that is paid for by taking more money from those that work and pay taxes.. and you know this.
This post was edited on 8/3/25 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 8/4/25 at 5:38 am to 4cubbies
quote:I took several "achievement tests" prior to HS. The only one given in HS was the PSAT ... took it the morning after I'd had a concussion playing football w/ a late night in the ER.
Do you feel you received an inferior education because you didn’t take a standardized test every year starting in third grade?
That was interesting.
quote:Good for you. But it's as anecdotal an opinion as your hate for charter schools.
I’m satisfied with the quality of education I received.
Today it's possible to be functionally illiterate and still graduate from high school. That is absurd! It is inexcusable! It is a system failure on multiple levels!
It fails the student involved.
It fails his classmates who are inevitably slowed in their own progress by his lack of progress.
It fails society.
It is a failure of public school accountability.
That was not the case in the past. Failure resulted in being held back. Two such episodes earned a ticket into special ed.
I didn't attend public HS though. So my experience was different at the time. Admission was contingent upon an entrance exam. Our classrooms were academically leveled 1-8 based upon the exam scores and subsequent performance. It was a good system IMO.
Re: Your contentions about Charter Schools
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Charter Schools Now Outperform Traditional Public Schools, Sweeping Study Finds
By Libby Stanford
June 06, 2023
Charter schools have evolved over the course of two decades, and their students now show greater academic gains than their peers in traditional public schools, according to a new report from a group of researchers who have studied the evolution of charters since 2000.
The study, which examined student performance in 6,200 charter schools from 2014 to 2019, marks a turning point in the understanding of charter school performance. It’s the third study of its kind from researchers at the Center for Research on Education Outcomes, or CREDO, after the center’s earlier studies found that charter school students performed either worse than or about the same as their peers in traditional public schools.
From 2014 to 2019, charter school students gained, on average, the equivalent of 16 days of learning in reading and six days in math over their peers in traditional public schools. Eighty-three percent of charter school students performed the same as or better than their peers in reading, and 75 percent performed the same as or better in math, according to the study, which includes data from 29 states, New York City, and the District of Columbia.
“The largest source of the improvement is that existing schools improve over time, not that we get much better schools coming into the mix,” she said. “In order to do that, school teams have to have this capacity to adapt... It’s not that you’re doing revolution, it’s that you’re doing evolution. You’re trying little things here and there.”
That lesson may be especially important following the COVID-19 pandemic. The study was conducted before the pandemic took place, but indicates that schools with the capacity to try new things and adapt to changing circumstances can produce positive student outcomes, Raymond said.
“The bigger lesson now in the post-COVID world is, hey guys, if you’re looking for a way to improve outcomes for kids, here is an absolutely demonstrated framework that you can look at and maybe apply it in other contexts,” Raymond said.
LINK
This post was edited on 8/4/25 at 5:58 am
Posted on 8/4/25 at 9:55 am to NC_Tigah
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But that's as anecdotal an opinion as your hate for charter schools.
My opinions about charter schools have been informed by extensive research in addition to my own experiences with them.
Generally speaking, they are a massive grift.
quote:This has always been possible and has always happened. I guess this is the one facet of society which you feel the government is more responsible for outcomes than individuals.
Today it's possible to be functionally illiterate and still graduate from high school. That is absurd! It is inexcusable! It is a system failure on multiple levels!
quote:Special Ed was used as a punishment? Retaining students has showed mixed long-term results. Students who are held back consistently dropout of high school at higher rates. We know that prisons populations are comprised mostly of high school dropouts. All of this is related.
That was not the case in the past. Failure resulted in being held back. Two such episodes earned a ticket into special ed.
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Re: Your contentions about Charter Schools
Charter schools are able to manipulate their enrollment in ways traditional public schools cannot.
I can guarantee you that the highest performing schools in every state are selective enrollment schools like Ben Franklin in New Orleans for Louisiana.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 10:38 am to 4cubbies
quote:Punishment?
Special Ed was used as a punishment?
Where the heck did you get that?
Special ed was a track to vocational school where folks could learn trades without needing college.
The punishment is keeping academically incapable students maintracked, wasting their time in classrooms terribly suited for their needs, instead of providing them with lifelong good wage-earning skillsets.
quote:Facts cited above notwithstanding?
My opinions about charter schools have been informed by extensive research
quote:And?
I can guarantee you that the highest performing schools in every state are selective enrollment schools like Ben Franklin in New Orleans for Louisiana.
Ben Franklin has been around forever.
In that regard, it would seem more tiered acceptance schools (magnets, etc) would be the ticket ... frankly at both ends of the spectrum. A specialized charter system could offer that opportunity.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 10:41 am to 4cubbies
quote:You missed the point. Yes illiteracy has remained basically unchanged in the past half century. What has changed is the granting of HS diplomas to those individuals. That has absolutely not "always been the case."
This has always been possible and has always happened. I guess this is the one facet of society which you feel the government is more responsible for outcomes than individuals.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 12:27 pm to NC_Tigah
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Punishment
Most students view being held back as a punishment. They don't view it positively.
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Facts cited above notwithstanding?
Cherry picked facts will support whatever position they were picked to support.
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Overall, these reviews show that charter schools have inconsistent effects on student achievement scores
LINK
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Dozens of studies have demonstrated that charter school performance varies dramatically. Even within communities where charters clearly outperform traditional public schools on average, there are often any number of charters that perform worse.
LINK
Just like with literally any other school (public, private, parochial, prep, etc), some students do better than others at charter schools.
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Ben Franklin has been around forever.
It opened in 1957 as a school for gifted students. It was always selective enrollment.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 12:51 pm to 4cubbies
quote:How do most students view continuing failure in an ill-suited academic environment?
Punishment
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Most students view being held back as a punishment. They don't view it positively.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 12:56 pm to Bow dude72
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I’ve scored an IQ of 142 and don’t feel like I’m anything special. I really good at some things.. I don’t get it.
ROFLMAO
You ran a 4.4 40 in high school too. Didn't you
Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:01 pm to NC_Tigah
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How do most students view continuing failure in an ill-suited academic environment?
How many times would a student have to repeat that ill-suited academic environment for it to suit them?
This post was edited on 8/4/25 at 1:02 pm
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